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Flight crew complain to schedule involving mix of international and domestic flying being illegal account of over 8 hours flight time in 24 hour period.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 94033 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198809 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : msp |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : second officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 120 |
| ASRS Report | 94033 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | other personnel other |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : assigned or threatened penalties faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
This is forwarded at the advice of our local mechanic. I work for airline based in minneapolis, mn. For the month of september I am scheduled to fly a pattern apparently the final day of the trip has come under question by the FAA to the point of a fine being imposed on the company for a violation of the FARS. The company has refused to pay the fine and thus the problem is still unresolved and yet the pilots are still expected to fly the pattern as printed. Widebody transport hnl-lax depart XA20, arrive XF30. Ete 5+10. Lax-msp depart XG30, arrive XJ52. Ete 3+22. Scheduled for 8+32 in 24 hours with only a 1 hour layover in lax. The FARS consider this domestic flying based on the second leg. We are therefore illegal.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW COMPLAIN TO SCHEDULE INVOLVING MIX OF INTERNATIONAL AND DOMESTIC FLYING BEING ILLEGAL ACCOUNT OF OVER 8 HOURS FLT TIME IN 24 HOUR PERIOD.
Narrative: THIS IS FORWARDED AT THE ADVICE OF OUR LCL MECH. I WORK FOR AIRLINE BASED IN MINNEAPOLIS, MN. FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER I AM SCHEDULED TO FLY A PATTERN APPARENTLY THE FINAL DAY OF THE TRIP HAS COME UNDER QUESTION BY THE FAA TO THE POINT OF A FINE BEING IMPOSED ON THE COMPANY FOR A VIOLATION OF THE FARS. THE COMPANY HAS REFUSED TO PAY THE FINE AND THUS THE PROB IS STILL UNRESOLVED AND YET THE PLTS ARE STILL EXPECTED TO FLY THE PATTERN AS PRINTED. WDB HNL-LAX DEPART XA20, ARRIVE XF30. ETE 5+10. LAX-MSP DEPART XG30, ARRIVE XJ52. ETE 3+22. SCHEDULED FOR 8+32 IN 24 HOURS WITH ONLY A 1 HOUR LAYOVER IN LAX. THE FARS CONSIDER THIS DOMESTIC FLYING BASED ON THE SECOND LEG. WE ARE THEREFORE ILLEGAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.