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Attributes | |
ACN | 94657 |
Time | |
Date | 198809 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ccc airport : isp |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | approach : straight in approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 450 flight time type : 4 |
ASRS Report | 94657 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was flying west (aircraft a) descending about 300 FPM from 4500'. I was about 2 mi south of the fire island shoreline and about 12 mi southeast of long island mac arthur airport when out of the corner of my eye I saw an aircraft B approaching from my left to right. He was on a 12 mi final to runway 33L at long island airport. I made a sharp left 180 degrees to avoid the aircraft. I estimate we came within 500' horizontal, 0' vertical, at an altitude of 4000'. I then tuned my radio to ny approach where I heard the pilot asking the controller why the aircraft was not pointed out to him, and that upon landing he was going to file a report. Long island mac arthur airport was reporting I believe 3500' scattered, 8000' scattered, visibility 15 mi. I do not recall any clouds en route. But, I do recall a hazy condition out over the water to the south where flight visibility was less than 15 mi for sure. I have thought about what happened and what caused it. Here is what I believed caused this incident: 1) good WX--this causes a pilot to relax his responsibility to see and avoid traffic. 2) the god WX combined with the airliner being in radar contact gave the crew an extra feeling of relaxation re: their responsibility to see and avoid, even though they were outside the arsa. 3) see and avoid is not stressed enough during primary student training. In hindsight I can see it was not stressed enough in my training. 4) my aircraft was not mode C equipment, but my transponder was on. I do not know if mode C would have made a difference because either the controller blocked all 1200 squawks outside the arsa or he was so busy he just missed the conflict, and therefore didn't give the airliner the traffic advisory.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX ACR-MLG GA-SMA 12 NM SOUTH OF ISP.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING W (ACFT A) DSNDING ABOUT 300 FPM FROM 4500'. I WAS ABOUT 2 MI S OF THE FIRE ISLAND SHORELINE AND ABOUT 12 MI SE OF LONG ISLAND MAC ARTHUR ARPT WHEN OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE I SAW AN ACFT B APCHING FROM MY LEFT TO RIGHT. HE WAS ON A 12 MI FINAL TO RWY 33L AT LONG ISLAND ARPT. I MADE A SHARP LEFT 180 DEGS TO AVOID THE ACFT. I ESTIMATE WE CAME WITHIN 500' HORIZ, 0' VERT, AT AN ALT OF 4000'. I THEN TUNED MY RADIO TO NY APCH WHERE I HEARD THE PLT ASKING THE CTLR WHY THE ACFT WAS NOT POINTED OUT TO HIM, AND THAT UPON LNDG HE WAS GOING TO FILE A RPT. LONG ISLAND MAC ARTHUR ARPT WAS RPTING I BELIEVE 3500' SCATTERED, 8000' SCATTERED, VIS 15 MI. I DO NOT RECALL ANY CLOUDS ENRTE. BUT, I DO RECALL A HAZY CONDITION OUT OVER THE WATER TO THE S WHERE FLT VIS WAS LESS THAN 15 MI FOR SURE. I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT CAUSED IT. HERE IS WHAT I BELIEVED CAUSED THIS INCIDENT: 1) GOOD WX--THIS CAUSES A PLT TO RELAX HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE AND AVOID TFC. 2) THE GOD WX COMBINED WITH THE AIRLINER BEING IN RADAR CONTACT GAVE THE CREW AN EXTRA FEELING OF RELAXATION RE: THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE AND AVOID, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE OUTSIDE THE ARSA. 3) SEE AND AVOID IS NOT STRESSED ENOUGH DURING PRIMARY STUDENT TRNING. IN HINDSIGHT I CAN SEE IT WAS NOT STRESSED ENOUGH IN MY TRNING. 4) MY ACFT WAS NOT MODE C EQUIPMENT, BUT MY TRANSPONDER WAS ON. I DO NOT KNOW IF MODE C WOULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE EITHER THE CTLR BLOCKED ALL 1200 SQUAWKS OUTSIDE THE ARSA OR HE WAS SO BUSY HE JUST MISSED THE CONFLICT, AND THEREFORE DIDN'T GIVE THE AIRLINER THE TFC ADVISORY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.