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Attributes | |
ACN | 94816 |
Time | |
Date | 198809 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ehf |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 31500 msl bound upper : 32800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla tower : pdx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid enroute airway : zla |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 248 flight time total : 16558 flight time type : 8275 |
ASRS Report | 94816 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Departed lax on the gorman departure shafter transition. Over shafter VOR, climbing through FL315, ZLA asked me to stop the climb and turn left 20 degrees to avoid a possible conflict with large transport Y on parallel radar vector in the descent. His descent was stopped at FL328 and it was explained that a possible conflict existed. Upon inquiry I was informed that I was 3.5 mi off centerline. My position was directly over shafter turning outbnd to 328 degree right to intercept J65. Considering the arwy is a 4 mi either side of centerline, I feel that a conflict may have existed but was induced by the radar vector, in that I was in my protected airspace. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: reporter made a telephone call to ZLA from destination. He was informed that sep was not lost, but it was very close. Reporter's flight apparently overshot the VORTAC by about 4 mi and this was just far enough to bring his aircraft closer to the other large transport than the controller was expecting. The other large transport was being vectored on a parallel course to facilitate its descent and reporter's small deviation from course caused much concern.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT CLIMBING OVERSHOT TURN ONTO AIRWAY AND CAME NEAR ACR-LGT DESCENDING, OPPOSITE DIRECTION ON PARALLEL COURSE.
Narrative: DEPARTED LAX ON THE GORMAN DEP SHAFTER TRANSITION. OVER SHAFTER VOR, CLBING THROUGH FL315, ZLA ASKED ME TO STOP THE CLB AND TURN LEFT 20 DEGS TO AVOID A POSSIBLE CONFLICT WITH LGT Y ON PARALLEL RADAR VECTOR IN THE DSCNT. HIS DSCNT WAS STOPPED AT FL328 AND IT WAS EXPLAINED THAT A POSSIBLE CONFLICT EXISTED. UPON INQUIRY I WAS INFORMED THAT I WAS 3.5 MI OFF CENTERLINE. MY POS WAS DIRECTLY OVER SHAFTER TURNING OUTBND TO 328 DEG R TO INTERCEPT J65. CONSIDERING THE ARWY IS A 4 MI EITHER SIDE OF CENTERLINE, I FEEL THAT A CONFLICT MAY HAVE EXISTED BUT WAS INDUCED BY THE RADAR VECTOR, IN THAT I WAS IN MY PROTECTED AIRSPACE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: RPTR MADE A TELEPHONE CALL TO ZLA FROM DEST. HE WAS INFORMED THAT SEP WAS NOT LOST, BUT IT WAS VERY CLOSE. RPTR'S FLT APPARENTLY OVERSHOT THE VORTAC BY ABOUT 4 MI AND THIS WAS JUST FAR ENOUGH TO BRING HIS ACFT CLOSER TO THE OTHER LGT THAN THE CTLR WAS EXPECTING. THE OTHER LGT WAS BEING VECTORED ON A PARALLEL COURSE TO FACILITATE ITS DSCNT AND RPTR'S SMALL DEVIATION FROM COURSE CAUSED MUCH CONCERN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.