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Attributes | |
ACN | 94913 |
Time | |
Date | 198809 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ont |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 500 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ont tower : ont |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 94913 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
Our air carrier flight departed ont. Both crew were well rested this being the first flight of our day. Both crew type rated in the aircraft. The captain was flying. He is a 12 yr veteran and very senior captain of above average skills who takes pride in his work. Upon receiving clearance we were given the prado 1 departure and 7000'. We briefed the departure and were familiar with it having flown it many times. Our crew coordination was excellent. We've flown together all month and our crews are very standardized. When cleared for departure on runway 26 by ont tower, the controller issued a change to our departure clearance. We were cleared for takeoff and told to remain on runway heading and 4000'. We discussed it, reset heading and altitude alerters and read back the clearance, 'cleared for takeoff and maintain runway heading to 4000'.' upon contacting ont departure they seemed agitated and asked us our departure clearance. We told them runway heading and 4000'. They later gave us a phone number to call the supervisor when we reached phoenix and said they would pull the tapes because we should not have been given the clearance to 4000' and runway heading. The controller said ont tower had done this frequently and that it infringed on someone else's airspace--possibly norton's. There were no problems with traffic because of this clearance. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: reporter says that when flight crew called back to ont the ATC supervisor stated that they would play tapes and get back to flight crew if necessary. Says departure controller was really upset to find them on runway heading and climbing to 4000' reporter says she readback that clearance to tower and included full call sign, and that hers was only female voice on tower frequency. Flight crew has heard nothing further from FAA reference the incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT REPORT REFERENCE LACK OF COORD BETWEEN TWR AND TRACON. OPERATIONAL DEVIATION.
Narrative: OUR ACR FLT DEPARTED ONT. BOTH CREW WERE WELL RESTED THIS BEING THE FIRST FLT OF OUR DAY. BOTH CREW TYPE RATED IN THE ACFT. THE CAPT WAS FLYING. HE IS A 12 YR VETERAN AND VERY SENIOR CAPT OF ABOVE AVERAGE SKILLS WHO TAKES PRIDE IN HIS WORK. UPON RECEIVING CLRNC WE WERE GIVEN THE PRADO 1 DEP AND 7000'. WE BRIEFED THE DEP AND WERE FAMILIAR WITH IT HAVING FLOWN IT MANY TIMES. OUR CREW COORD WAS EXCELLENT. WE'VE FLOWN TOGETHER ALL MONTH AND OUR CREWS ARE VERY STANDARDIZED. WHEN CLRED FOR DEP ON RWY 26 BY ONT TWR, THE CTLR ISSUED A CHANGE TO OUR DEP CLRNC. WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF AND TOLD TO REMAIN ON RWY HDG AND 4000'. WE DISCUSSED IT, RESET HDG AND ALT ALERTERS AND READ BACK THE CLRNC, 'CLRED FOR TKOF AND MAINTAIN RWY HDG TO 4000'.' UPON CONTACTING ONT DEP THEY SEEMED AGITATED AND ASKED US OUR DEP CLRNC. WE TOLD THEM RWY HDG AND 4000'. THEY LATER GAVE US A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL THE SUPVR WHEN WE REACHED PHOENIX AND SAID THEY WOULD PULL THE TAPES BECAUSE WE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE CLRNC TO 4000' AND RWY HDG. THE CTLR SAID ONT TWR HAD DONE THIS FREQUENTLY AND THAT IT INFRINGED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S AIRSPACE--POSSIBLY NORTON'S. THERE WERE NO PROBS WITH TFC BECAUSE OF THIS CLRNC. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: RPTR SAYS THAT WHEN FLT CREW CALLED BACK TO ONT THE ATC SUPVR STATED THAT THEY WOULD PLAY TAPES AND GET BACK TO FLT CREW IF NECESSARY. SAYS DEP CTLR WAS REALLY UPSET TO FIND THEM ON RWY HEADING AND CLIMBING TO 4000' REPORTER SAYS SHE READBACK THAT CLRNC TO TWR AND INCLUDED FULL CALL SIGN, AND THAT HERS WAS ONLY FEMALE VOICE ON TWR FREQ. FLT CREW HAS HEARD NOTHING FURTHER FROM FAA REF THE INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.