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Attributes | |
ACN | 968108 |
Time | |
Date | 201109 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | PHL.TRACON |
State Reference | PA |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Light Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR JAIKE 3 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Person 2 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 45 Flight Crew Total 10560 Flight Crew Type 185 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Altitude Crossing Restriction Not Met Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
Aircraft #1 was issued a descent clearance to 'descend via the JAIKE3 arrival' and descended early. The JAIKE3 arrival has been problematic since its inception; several modifications have been made to reduce the occurrences of pilots descending early. This happens occasionally but it is a safety factor in my opinion. In discussions with pilots; I believe that the descent profile is confusing. They are to cross jaike at 13;000 then the next restriction is to cross ilene at 13;000. Pilots have told me that after they cross jaike at 13;000; their tendency is to look for the next lower altitude on the profile; (looking past the next 13;000 at ilene) which is wacky at 11;000. I'm not a pilot but understand how this might be a problem for them. Although it is a mental error on the pilot's part; I recommend looking at this profile again to try to eliminate the potential for this confusion.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PHL Controller voiced concern regarding confusion involving the JAIKE3 RNAV STAR; the reporter noting the charting/clearance issued by ATC could easily be confused.
Narrative: Aircraft #1 was issued a descent clearance to 'descend via the JAIKE3 arrival' and descended early. The JAIKE3 arrival has been problematic since its inception; several modifications have been made to reduce the occurrences of pilots descending early. This happens occasionally but it is a safety factor in my opinion. In discussions with pilots; I believe that the descent profile is confusing. They are to cross JAIKE at 13;000 then the next restriction is to cross ILENE at 13;000. Pilots have told me that after they cross JAIKE at 13;000; their tendency is to look for the next lower altitude on the profile; (looking past the next 13;000 at ILENE) which is WACKY at 11;000. I'm not a pilot but understand how this might be a problem for them. Although it is a mental error on the pilot's part; I recommend looking at this profile again to try to eliminate the potential for this confusion.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.