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Attributes | |
ACN | 97497 |
Time | |
Date | 198811 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phx |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 50 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 155 flight time total : 6200 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 97497 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway inflight encounter other non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Phx was down to single runway operation due to repairs/construction around runway 8L. This created a lot of pressure on the tower controllers to handle the backlog of aircraft during this heavy traffic period on a busy sun night. The phx controllers by in large are masters at maximizing aircraft operations on their pavement. Separates between departures and arrs are often the bare minimum, but safely handled. This particular departure was not well handled and 2 hazardous situations developed. We were relatively heavy and I recall a V1 of 137, vr = 138, V2 = 142. We, air carrier X, had adjusted V1 + vr up a few KTS per mftr assumed temperature reduced thrust takeoff procedures. As medium large transport Y arrival crossed the threshold of runway 8R we were cleared onto the runway to hold in position. As Y cleared the runway he was instructed to hold short of the parallel taxiway and contact ground. We were then cleared for an immediate takeoff and we complied. Another air carrier Z was then cleared on to hold. As we accelerated through 110 KTS air carrier Z was cleared for an immediate takeoff. We were a good 5-8 seconds short of decision speed with another aircraft rolling down the runway behind us! The controller probably broke some rules in doing this and I guess you can't change procedures when people are violating the existing ones! In the meantime we are now approaching 130 KTS as we passed air carrier Y. His engines were apparently not at idle and our aircraft yawed violently as we passed. It was such a violent gust I got ready for a tire failure or engine flameout from the sudden crosswind, while trying to maintain directional control. Fortunately we made it, but this scenario is becoming more frequent with our lack of airport capacity. I propose a rule that gives right of way to aircraft clearing a runway over those on txwys and prohibits controllers from using a runway while any jets have their exhaust pointed toward that runway. It should be illegal for a controller to require someone to clear the edge of a runway and hold short of a taxiway and illegal for aircraft on the ground to block access to txwys for aircraft clearing runways. The exception would be in an emergency situation to avoid a collision. Please send more forms--this is my first but I am thankful for the changes I have seen as a result of this program. Keep up the good work.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CLEARED FOR TKOF BEFORE PREVIOUSLY DEPARTED ACR HAD ROTATED. THE PREVIOUS DEPARTED ACR WAS SUBJECTED TO HEAVY JET BLAST FROM MLG HOLDING PERPENDICULAR TO RWY. OPERATIONAL ERROR.
Narrative: PHX WAS DOWN TO SINGLE RWY OPERATION DUE TO REPAIRS/CONSTRUCTION AROUND RWY 8L. THIS CREATED A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE TWR CTLRS TO HANDLE THE BACKLOG OF ACFT DURING THIS HEAVY TFC PERIOD ON A BUSY SUN NIGHT. THE PHX CTLRS BY IN LARGE ARE MASTERS AT MAXIMIZING ACFT OPS ON THEIR PAVEMENT. SEPARATES BTWN DEPS AND ARRS ARE OFTEN THE BARE MINIMUM, BUT SAFELY HANDLED. THIS PARTICULAR DEP WAS NOT WELL HANDLED AND 2 HAZARDOUS SITUATIONS DEVELOPED. WE WERE RELATIVELY HVY AND I RECALL A V1 OF 137, VR = 138, V2 = 142. WE, ACR X, HAD ADJUSTED V1 + VR UP A FEW KTS PER MFTR ASSUMED TEMP REDUCED THRUST TKOF PROCS. AS MLG Y ARR CROSSED THE THRESHOLD OF RWY 8R WE WERE CLRED ONTO THE RWY TO HOLD IN POS. AS Y CLRED THE RWY HE WAS INSTRUCTED TO HOLD SHORT OF THE PARALLEL TXWY AND CONTACT GND. WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR AN IMMEDIATE TKOF AND WE COMPLIED. ANOTHER ACR Z WAS THEN CLRED ON TO HOLD. AS WE ACCELERATED THROUGH 110 KTS ACR Z WAS CLRED FOR AN IMMEDIATE TKOF. WE WERE A GOOD 5-8 SECS SHORT OF DECISION SPD WITH ANOTHER ACFT ROLLING DOWN THE RWY BEHIND US! THE CTLR PROBABLY BROKE SOME RULES IN DOING THIS AND I GUESS YOU CAN'T CHANGE PROCS WHEN PEOPLE ARE VIOLATING THE EXISTING ONES! IN THE MEANTIME WE ARE NOW APCHING 130 KTS AS WE PASSED ACR Y. HIS ENGS WERE APPARENTLY NOT AT IDLE AND OUR ACFT YAWED VIOLENTLY AS WE PASSED. IT WAS SUCH A VIOLENT GUST I GOT READY FOR A TIRE FAILURE OR ENG FLAMEOUT FROM THE SUDDEN XWIND, WHILE TRYING TO MAINTAIN DIRECTIONAL CONTROL. FORTUNATELY WE MADE IT, BUT THIS SCENARIO IS BECOMING MORE FREQUENT WITH OUR LACK OF ARPT CAPACITY. I PROPOSE A RULE THAT GIVES RIGHT OF WAY TO ACFT CLRING A RWY OVER THOSE ON TXWYS AND PROHIBITS CTLRS FROM USING A RWY WHILE ANY JETS HAVE THEIR EXHAUST POINTED TOWARD THAT RWY. IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR A CTLR TO REQUIRE SOMEONE TO CLEAR THE EDGE OF A RWY AND HOLD SHORT OF A TXWY AND ILLEGAL FOR ACFT ON THE GND TO BLOCK ACCESS TO TXWYS FOR ACFT CLRING RWYS. THE EXCEPTION WOULD BE IN AN EMER SITUATION TO AVOID A COLLISION. PLEASE SEND MORE FORMS--THIS IS MY FIRST BUT I AM THANKFUL FOR THE CHANGES I HAVE SEEN AS A RESULT OF THIS PROGRAM. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.