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GA small aircraft possible unauthorized penetration of airspace. Supervisor controller admitted the problem was either departure controller knowledge of TCA boundary or radar display problem.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 97978 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198811 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ord |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 6500 msl bound upper : 6500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 97978 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
| Air Traffic Incident | other other |
Narrative:
While outbnd on the jot 330 degree right (nwbnd) at 6500' VFR under flight following by ord approach control, the controller said I violated the TCA by going inside the ord 30 DME arc by 1 or 2 mi. A supervisor later said the ord TCA only goes to 25 mi (which is also per the charts). Supervisor also said the controller may have been unfamiliar with the TCA limits and was using a scope that was not portraying the TCA correctly!! This is an intolerable situation where violations are freely handed out for TCA violations and very little recourse can be had ben conscientious pilots. Big brother controllers had better start being more conscientious! (Before accusing an aviator of a mortal sin!).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA SMA POSSIBLE UNAUTH PENETRATION OF AIRSPACE. SUPVR CTLR ADMITTED THE PROBLEM WAS EITHER DEP CTLR KNOWLEDGE OF TCA BOUNDARY OR RADAR DISPLAY PROBLEM.
Narrative: WHILE OUTBND ON THE JOT 330 DEG R (NWBND) AT 6500' VFR UNDER FLT FOLLOWING BY ORD APCH CTL, THE CTLR SAID I VIOLATED THE TCA BY GOING INSIDE THE ORD 30 DME ARC BY 1 OR 2 MI. A SUPVR LATER SAID THE ORD TCA ONLY GOES TO 25 MI (WHICH IS ALSO PER THE CHARTS). SUPVR ALSO SAID THE CTLR MAY HAVE BEEN UNFAMILIAR WITH THE TCA LIMITS AND WAS USING A SCOPE THAT WAS NOT PORTRAYING THE TCA CORRECTLY!! THIS IS AN INTOLERABLE SITUATION WHERE VIOLATIONS ARE FREELY HANDED OUT FOR TCA VIOLATIONS AND VERY LITTLE RECOURSE CAN BE HAD BEN CONSCIENTIOUS PLTS. BIG BROTHER CTLRS HAD BETTER START BEING MORE CONSCIENTIOUS! (BEFORE ACCUSING AN AVIATOR OF A MORTAL SIN!).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.