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Attributes | |
ACN | 988364 |
Time | |
Date | 201201 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | DFW.Airport |
State Reference | TX |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Climb Initial Climb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Total 21700 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying First Officer |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Type 12000 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Speed All Types |
Narrative:
I was pilot flying departing runway 36R at dfw. Weather was IMC; light rain; temperature 7C. Our takeoff performance document did not have anti-ice on. We requested an anti-ice on performance data via ACARS free text message prior to leaving the gate. This had not arrived as we approached number one for departure. Rather than take a delay of unknown duration waiting for it; we elected to use max power. We made the required adjustments and were cleared for take off. Take off was normal. At 400 AGL LNAV was selected. Leaving 500 AGL auto pilot was selected as is required on RNAV departures. Initial climb was fairly bumpy and airspeed was bouncing somewhat. At 1;000 AGL VNAV was selected. The pitch attitude was above 20 degrees and was increasing due to bumps and airspeed control. There was a relatively large power reduction from max take off power to climb; but the pitch attitude did not start decreasing immediately. Airspeed started to decrease. The first officer called out to check airspeed; and as speed was decreasing toward V2 I disconnected the autopilot and manually lowered the nose. Pitch got within 1-2 degrees of pli before I got the nose down to a lower attitude. From this point all operated normally. Neither of us felt that there was an aircraft malfunction. We believe that the timing and circumstances of this particular occurrence made the normal VNAV pitch response too slow to prevent the airspeed decrease. Manual control and a more aggressive lowering of the nose got things back to normal. A couple of other things happened that I don't believe contributed the airspeed loss but might be noted: 1) during takeoff roll a flight attendant hit the wrong button and chimed the cockpit by mistake. 2) on rotation the first officer's navigation manual came loose and fell to the back of the cockpit. 3) the lack of the original takeoff performance data having anti-ice on. In this particular instance I feel that the requirement to use autopilot on RNAV departures was a detriment. I believe that if hand flying; the pitch attitude would not have gotten as high. Remove the requirement for auto pilot at 500 AGL on RNAV departures and let the pilot decide what the best selection of automation is for the circumstances.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757 took off with max power and established a very high pitch attitude up to 1;000 FT when climb power was set and flaps retracted at which time the airspeed decreased rapidly toward V2 as the Captain recovered.
Narrative: I was pilot flying departing Runway 36R at DFW. Weather was IMC; light rain; temperature 7C. Our takeoff performance document did not have anti-ice ON. We requested an anti-ice ON performance data via ACARS free text message prior to leaving the gate. This had not arrived as we approached number one for departure. Rather than take a delay of unknown duration waiting for it; we elected to use max power. We made the required adjustments and were cleared for take off. Take off was normal. At 400 AGL LNAV was selected. Leaving 500 AGL auto pilot was selected as is required on RNAV departures. Initial climb was fairly bumpy and airspeed was bouncing somewhat. At 1;000 AGL VNAV was selected. The pitch attitude was above 20 degrees and was increasing due to bumps and airspeed control. There was a relatively large power reduction from max take off power to climb; but the pitch attitude did not start decreasing immediately. Airspeed started to decrease. The First Officer called out to check airspeed; and as speed was decreasing toward V2 I disconnected the autopilot and manually lowered the nose. Pitch got within 1-2 degrees of PLI before I got the nose down to a lower attitude. From this point all operated normally. Neither of us felt that there was an aircraft malfunction. We believe that the timing and circumstances of this particular occurrence made the normal VNAV pitch response too slow to prevent the airspeed decrease. Manual control and a more aggressive lowering of the nose got things back to normal. A couple of other things happened that I don't believe contributed the airspeed loss but might be noted: 1) During takeoff roll a flight attendant hit the wrong button and chimed the cockpit by mistake. 2) On rotation the First Officer's navigation manual came loose and fell to the back of the cockpit. 3) The lack of the original takeoff performance data having anti-ice ON. In this particular instance I feel that the requirement to use autopilot on RNAV departures was a detriment. I believe that if hand flying; the pitch attitude would not have gotten as high. Remove the requirement for auto pilot at 500 AGL on RNAV departures and let the pilot decide what the best selection of automation is for the circumstances.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.