Narrative:

I am an fpl controller conducting radar OJT on a low altitude sector. The developmental controller in training has over 100 hours OJT logged on this position, and another 100 hours split between 2 other radar sectors with no radar sector certifications. At this point in training hours most developmental controllers have checked out at this sector, considered the easiest sector in our area. Air carrier X at FL210 reports light to moderate chop and requests a descent to 17000'. Air carrier X is 15 mi west of the cle/ny center boundary heading east. The aircraft is in handoff status to ZNY sector 75, a high level (FL180-FL600) sector. The underlying sector tys controls 8000-17000' MSL. The radar associate (d-side), also a trnee receiving OJT instruction, calls ZNY 75 and states air carrier X request for 17000'. ZNY responds 'I have his request.' the radar trnee then calls ZNY 75 and states, 'air carrier X wants 17000'' and ZNY answers, 'yeah, I got that.' the radar trnee takes back the handoff, assigns 17000' to air carrier X, updates the assigned altitude in the data base and manually addresses the handoff to sector 75. The aircraft is 10 mi inside ZNY, FL200 descending before handoff is finally accomplished. 1) simultaneous OJT at both the radar and associate radar positions. 2) lack of standard phraseology led to misunderstanding, 'yeah, I got that,' rather then approved, unable, etc. 3) most importantly, there is a tendency to let a trnee go as far as possible in training to maximize the benefits of the training situation. I was not specific enough when I asked the trnee, 'are you just going to let air carrier X go?' as an fpl, I am looking at an aircraft descending through a sector 75 altitude to a sector tys altitude in handoff to sector 75 5 mi west of the boundary. The radar trnee pointed the aircraft out to another ZOB sector rather than follow through with the handoff. I directed the associate controller trnee to handoff the aircraft first officer ZNY, but the coordination was not timely. There must be an overiding duty of providing a service to our customers (system users) of safe, orderly and expeditious flow of traffic, and maximum training benefit must be subordinate to that duty!

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR LEAVING ZOB AIRSPACE INTO ZNY AREA WITHOUT COORD OF NEW ALT ASSIGNMENT. OPERATIONAL DEVIATION.

Narrative: I AM AN FPL CTLR CONDUCTING RADAR OJT ON A LOW ALT SECTOR. THE DEVELOPMENTAL CTLR IN TRNING HAS OVER 100 HRS OJT LOGGED ON THIS POS, AND ANOTHER 100 HRS SPLIT BTWN 2 OTHER RADAR SECTORS WITH NO RADAR SECTOR CERTIFICATIONS. AT THIS POINT IN TRNING HRS MOST DEVELOPMENTAL CTLRS HAVE CHKED OUT AT THIS SECTOR, CONSIDERED THE EASIEST SECTOR IN OUR AREA. ACR X AT FL210 RPTS LIGHT TO MODERATE CHOP AND REQUESTS A DSCNT TO 17000'. ACR X IS 15 MI W OF THE CLE/NY CENTER BOUNDARY HDG E. THE ACFT IS IN HDOF STATUS TO ZNY SECTOR 75, A HIGH LEVEL (FL180-FL600) SECTOR. THE UNDERLYING SECTOR TYS CONTROLS 8000-17000' MSL. THE RADAR ASSOCIATE (D-SIDE), ALSO A TRNEE RECEIVING OJT INSTRUCTION, CALLS ZNY 75 AND STATES ACR X REQUEST FOR 17000'. ZNY RESPONDS 'I HAVE HIS REQUEST.' THE RADAR TRNEE THEN CALLS ZNY 75 AND STATES, 'ACR X WANTS 17000'' AND ZNY ANSWERS, 'YEAH, I GOT THAT.' THE RADAR TRNEE TAKES BACK THE HDOF, ASSIGNS 17000' TO ACR X, UPDATES THE ASSIGNED ALT IN THE DATA BASE AND MANUALLY ADDRESSES THE HDOF TO SECTOR 75. THE ACFT IS 10 MI INSIDE ZNY, FL200 DSNDING BEFORE HDOF IS FINALLY ACCOMPLISHED. 1) SIMULTANEOUS OJT AT BOTH THE RADAR AND ASSOCIATE RADAR POSITIONS. 2) LACK OF STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY LED TO MISUNDERSTANDING, 'YEAH, I GOT THAT,' RATHER THEN APPROVED, UNABLE, ETC. 3) MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE IS A TENDENCY TO LET A TRNEE GO AS FAR AS POSSIBLE IN TRNING TO MAXIMIZE THE BENEFITS OF THE TRNING SITUATION. I WAS NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH WHEN I ASKED THE TRNEE, 'ARE YOU JUST GOING TO LET ACR X GO?' AS AN FPL, I AM LOOKING AT AN ACFT DSNDING THROUGH A SECTOR 75 ALT TO A SECTOR TYS ALT IN HDOF TO SECTOR 75 5 MI W OF THE BOUNDARY. THE RADAR TRNEE POINTED THE ACFT OUT TO ANOTHER ZOB SECTOR RATHER THAN FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE HDOF. I DIRECTED THE ASSOCIATE CTLR TRNEE TO HDOF THE ACFT FO ZNY, BUT THE COORD WAS NOT TIMELY. THERE MUST BE AN OVERIDING DUTY OF PROVIDING A SVC TO OUR CUSTOMERS (SYS USERS) OF SAFE, ORDERLY AND EXPEDITIOUS FLOW OF TFC, AND MAX TRNING BENEFIT MUST BE SUBORDINATE TO THAT DUTY!

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.