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Attributes | |
ACN | 1010658 |
Time | |
Date | 201205 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | PHX.Airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Route In Use | Direct |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Flying Single Pilot |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 35 Flight Crew Total 3100 Flight Crew Type 2900 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
[I was on a] VFR part 91 flight to abq. At about 30 NM west of phx at an altitude of 9;500 MSL; contacted phx approach as a courtesy for radar advisories while transitioning the phx area above class bravo airspace. Received transponder code and was identified. Phx approach indicated to notify prior to any altitude change. I was then told to contact luke approach; which I did. Luke controller directed me to change heading to 030. No other information was given; not a traffic advisory; not a conflict; nothing; no reason given. This heading would turn me directly into alert area A231. I informed luke that I was VFR; in class echo airspace and my flight plan was direct to peaks intersection then to sjn VOR. Controller again; with no reason given; directed me to turn to a heading of 030. I again informed him I was VFR in class echo airspace and 'unable.' luke controller indicated that I was violating a 'high altitude' traffic pattern and need to turn away from it. I was monitoring an IFR certified G430 moving map; had a ipad moving map utilizing 'foreflight;' also current; a current phx sectional paper map; a phx tac chart all in front of me with no (I mean none) indication of restricted; MOA; alert; prohibited or any other special use airspace that I might be encroaching upon. I asked multiple times what airspace I was violating. I requested a time check and asked if a supervisor could plug in and explain why a VFR flight was attempting to be vectored. I requested a phone number as so I could speak with them upon my arrival to abq. I spoke with a sergeant who indicated that he was in charge and he indicated a potential deviation would be filed and he used a chapter 5 aim paragraph as the regulation that he could vector anyone anywhere he decided. I tried to explain that he could suggest a heading or vector; but it was not proper; from my 30 years of flying; to be vectoring VFR flights; because of uncharted airspace that they claim they own and control. I ceased any further discussion with him.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C182 pilot at 9;500 FT; using flight following with Luke Approach; is issued a 030 degree heading to avoid a 'high altitude traffic pattern.' Since there is no indication of military airspace on available charts or GPS the reporter declines the request.
Narrative: [I was on a] VFR Part 91 flight to ABQ. At about 30 NM west of PHX at an altitude of 9;500 MSL; contacted PHX Approach as a courtesy for radar advisories while transitioning the PHX area above Class Bravo airspace. Received transponder code and was identified. PHX Approach indicated to notify prior to any altitude change. I was then told to contact Luke Approach; which I did. Luke Controller directed me to change heading to 030. No other information was given; not a traffic advisory; not a conflict; nothing; no reason given. This heading would turn me directly into Alert Area A231. I informed Luke that I was VFR; in Class Echo airspace and my flight plan was direct to PEAKS Intersection then to SJN VOR. Controller again; with no reason given; directed me to turn to a heading of 030. I again informed him I was VFR in Class Echo airspace and 'unable.' Luke Controller indicated that I was violating a 'high altitude' traffic pattern and need to turn away from it. I was monitoring an IFR certified G430 moving map; had a iPad moving map utilizing 'Foreflight;' also current; a current PHX sectional paper map; a PHX TAC chart all in front of me with no (I mean none) indication of restricted; MOA; Alert; Prohibited or any other special use airspace that I might be encroaching upon. I asked multiple times what airspace I was violating. I requested a time check and asked if a supervisor could plug in and explain why a VFR flight was attempting to be vectored. I requested a phone number as so I could speak with them upon my arrival to ABQ. I spoke with a Sergeant who indicated that he was in charge and he indicated a potential deviation would be filed and he used a Chapter 5 AIM paragraph as the regulation that he could vector anyone anywhere he decided. I tried to explain that he could suggest a heading or vector; but it was not proper; from my 30 years of flying; to be vectoring VFR flights; because of uncharted airspace that they claim they own and control. I ceased any further discussion with him.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.