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Medium large transport given left turn to westerly heading by departure controller, which was long way around, saw other traffic and questioned controller.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 101455 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198901 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : syr |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : syr |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 101455 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
After departure from runway 10 at syr, we contacted departure control and received a clearance to turn left to 280 degrees. We read the clearance back with emphasis on the word left as this direction of turn was not logical for a southern route of flight. An medium large transport Y had departed before us and was also headed in the same geographical area. Our climbing turn to 280 degrees rapidly showed us turning somewhat inside medium large transport Y flight path. What was transpiring was similar to a running rendezvous in formation flying. I made the comment to departure after the traffic conflict was in no way called by him for close to 1 min, 'did he want us to join up on medium large transport Y?' my tone was sarcastic as I was amazed at the situation, especially with no call from ATC as to visibility sep. The controller responded by stating that I had been issued a right turn to 280 degrees, but that I could continue in my left turn to 280 degrees. I responded that we had been issued a left turn and had read back left. We proceeded to destination west/O further incident. I have since had syr tower pull the tapes and was told by supervisor at syr that we were correct in regards to being issued a left turn. Of course the controller is off the hook! I am tired of being guilty until proving my own innocence. ATC holds all the cards and the pilots sometimes have no recourse.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG GIVEN LEFT TURN TO WESTERLY HEADING BY DEP CTLR, WHICH WAS LONG WAY AROUND, SAW OTHER TRAFFIC AND QUESTIONED CTLR.
Narrative: AFTER DEP FROM RWY 10 AT SYR, WE CONTACTED DEP CTL AND RECEIVED A CLRNC TO TURN LEFT TO 280 DEGS. WE READ THE CLRNC BACK WITH EMPHASIS ON THE WORD LEFT AS THIS DIRECTION OF TURN WAS NOT LOGICAL FOR A SOUTHERN ROUTE OF FLT. AN MLG Y HAD DEPARTED BEFORE US AND WAS ALSO HEADED IN THE SAME GEOGRAPHICAL AREA. OUR CLBING TURN TO 280 DEGS RAPIDLY SHOWED US TURNING SOMEWHAT INSIDE MLG Y FLT PATH. WHAT WAS TRANSPIRING WAS SIMILAR TO A RUNNING RENDEZVOUS IN FORMATION FLYING. I MADE THE COMMENT TO DEP AFTER THE TFC CONFLICT WAS IN NO WAY CALLED BY HIM FOR CLOSE TO 1 MIN, 'DID HE WANT US TO JOIN UP ON MLG Y?' MY TONE WAS SARCASTIC AS I WAS AMAZED AT THE SITUATION, ESPECIALLY WITH NO CALL FROM ATC AS TO VIS SEP. THE CTLR RESPONDED BY STATING THAT I HAD BEEN ISSUED A RIGHT TURN TO 280 DEGS, BUT THAT I COULD CONTINUE IN MY LEFT TURN TO 280 DEGS. I RESPONDED THAT WE HAD BEEN ISSUED A LEFT TURN AND HAD READ BACK LEFT. WE PROCEEDED TO DEST W/O FURTHER INCIDENT. I HAVE SINCE HAD SYR TWR PULL THE TAPES AND WAS TOLD BY SUPVR AT SYR THAT WE WERE CORRECT IN REGARDS TO BEING ISSUED A LEFT TURN. OF COURSE THE CTLR IS OFF THE HOOK! I AM TIRED OF BEING GUILTY UNTIL PROVING MY OWN INNOCENCE. ATC HOLDS ALL THE CARDS AND THE PLTS SOMETIMES HAVE NO RECOURSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.