A pilot reported that he taxied beyond the det runway 33 hold short line on the ramp south of runway...

Narrative:

While taxiing to runway 33; ground cleared us to cross runway 25. The ramp area; taxiway; and runway are all paved together. Taxiway centerlines are clear; but these markings are not shown on the taxi charts. After verifying with ground we crossed runway 25; immediately clearing that runway is a 90 degree turn to the right to runway 33. The hold short line and runway sign were missed by both crewmembers. Ground informed us to stop which we did. We completed pre-takeoff checklists; were cleared for takeoff; and no incident occurred. No other traffic was observed at the airport or vicinity. The expected route to runway 33 was briefed by the crew prior to taxi. Due to lack of detail on the taxi chart; it was initially confusing that the taxiway would take us across the approach end of runway 33. Even while looking for the hold short line; we both missed it because it is located 90 degrees from the runway 25 hold short line and not located where we were expecting to see it. The location of the hold short line was discovered during postflight and consulting a satellite image. In my opinion; this area should be detailed as a hot spot on the taxi charts. This would have been briefed prior to taxi; all markings and positions anticipated; and much confusion eliminated.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A pilot reported that he taxied beyond the DET Runway 33 hold short line on the ramp south of Runway 25 because; looking at the airport taxi diagram; he expected the ramp area to look different and in his confusion missed the faded hold lines on west side of the massive ramp.

Narrative: While taxiing to Runway 33; Ground cleared us to cross Runway 25. The ramp area; taxiway; and runway are all paved together. Taxiway centerlines are clear; but these markings are not shown on the taxi charts. After verifying with Ground we crossed Runway 25; immediately clearing that runway is a 90 degree turn to the right to Runway 33. The hold short line and runway sign were missed by both crewmembers. Ground informed us to stop which we did. We completed pre-takeoff checklists; were cleared for takeoff; and no incident occurred. No other traffic was observed at the airport or vicinity. The expected route to Runway 33 was briefed by the crew prior to taxi. Due to lack of detail on the taxi chart; it was initially confusing that the taxiway would take us across the approach end of Runway 33. Even while looking for the hold short line; we both missed it because it is located 90 degrees from the Runway 25 hold short line and not located where we were expecting to see it. The location of the hold short line was discovered during postflight and consulting a satellite image. In my opinion; this area should be detailed as a Hot Spot on the taxi charts. This would have been briefed prior to taxi; all markings and positions anticipated; and much confusion eliminated.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Attributes
ACN	1014880
Time
Date	201206
Local Time Of Day	1201-1800
Place
Locale Reference	DET.Airport
State Reference	MI
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Light Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Function	Captain Pilot Flying
Qualification	Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 100 Flight Crew Total 11500 Flight Crew Type 1000
Events
Anomaly	Deviation - Procedural Clearance Ground Incursion Runway

A pilot reported that he taxied beyond the det runway 33 hold short line on the ramp south of runway 25 because; looking at the airport taxi diagram; he expected the ramp area to look different and in his confusion missed the faded hold lines on west side of the massive ramp.