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Attributes | |
ACN | 1020811 |
Time | |
Date | 201207 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZDV.ARTCC |
State Reference | CO |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict |
Narrative:
Weather north of den and the aircraft were deviating. I took the hand off on aircraft X and I noticed radar histories on the west side of the data block. I picked on the target and aircraft Y data block appeared due north climbing to 21;000 ft. Aircraft X was climbing up also just east of the aircraft Y and said she was deviating to mbw...aircraft X's data block stated dr/mbw in the fourth line; which means deviating right; mbw when able. So aircraft X turned direct to mbw heading right for aircraft Y. I immediately turned the aircraft X to a H360 and expedite their climb through 22;000 ft with clearance up to 32;000 ft. I was thinking that I may have deviated den approach's airspace; but had I done nothing aircraft X would have run over aircraft Y. My question is who was separating the two aircraft and what separation standards were they using? Den approach only needs 3 miles and 1;000 ft; but ZDV needs 5 miles and 1;000 ft. Recommendation; keep positive control of aircraft. Issue clearances that guarantee the needed separation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZDV Controller described a weather deviation event when the separation required was questioned because both terminal and enroute procedures were involved.
Narrative: Weather north of DEN and the aircraft were deviating. I took the hand off on Aircraft X and I noticed RADAR histories on the west side of the Data Block. I picked on the target and Aircraft Y Data Block appeared due north climbing to 21;000 FT. Aircraft X was climbing up also just east of the Aircraft Y and said she was deviating to MBW...Aircraft X's Data Block stated DR/MBW in the fourth line; which means deviating right; MBW when able. So Aircraft X turned direct to MBW heading right for Aircraft Y. I immediately turned the Aircraft X to a H360 and expedite their climb through 22;000 FT with clearance up to 32;000 FT. I was thinking that I may have deviated DEN Approach's airspace; but had I done nothing Aircraft X would have run over Aircraft Y. My question is who was separating the two aircraft and what separation standards were they using? DEN approach only needs 3 miles and 1;000 FT; but ZDV needs 5 miles and 1;000 FT. Recommendation; keep positive control of aircraft. Issue clearances that guarantee the needed separation.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.