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Attributes | |
ACN | 1028354 |
Time | |
Date | 201208 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | DEN.Airport |
State Reference | CO |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Check Pilot Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 160 Flight Crew Total 17000 Flight Crew Type 2600 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Clearance Ground Event / Encounter Other / Unknown Ground Excursion Ramp Ground Incursion Taxiway |
Narrative:
Ramp markings are very confusing and misleading on the south apron at den. There is ramp construction taking place on the south ramp; which requires a south taxi deviation around the construction zone. There is an airport NOTAM; but I would suggest that this NOTAM be expanded to add clarity. We entered the ramp from the east side and came in on taxiway alpha north and began our westbound taxi on the ramp. We were told to give way and follow an rj that had just taxied away from the commuter terminal. Additionally; the ramp tower advised us of the construction ahead on the alpha north taxiway; and told us that we would see a yellow taxi line that would guide us around the construction zone. As we approached the construction zone; we noticed the commuter rj start a left turn and realized he was following the yellow line. We mistakenly followed the rj on the same yellow line. This yellow line was a solid line and appeared to be the line that we had been told to follow. Once established on this line ramp control directed us away from the line we were on; stating that there is not enough room for a B777 on the purple line. It was at this point; that we realized that the yellow line we were following ran parallel to a solid purple line. Looking ahead; we saw a second solid yellow line; which was the one we were expected to be on.first a compliment to the ramp tower controller who was watching us; and realized that we were not on the correct yellow line. I would suggest to denver international airport that they paint a different line for wide body aircraft to follow; perhaps a stripped yellow line or an alternating yellow and orange line. But listening to the original instructions to give way and follow the rj and plan to follow the yellow line around the construction zone was very misleading. The expanded airport pages do describe the purple and green lines that are used for the ramp by smaller aircraft; however as we initially joined the solid yellow line; we did not see the purple line until we were closer to the terminal. Another suggestion would be to have ramp tell us to follow the 2nd yellow line around the construction zone. Not sure how to avoid the same mistake we made; as the markings are confusing. Perhaps sharing this information with the airport/ramp would help.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Confused by multiple ramp taxi lines; construction and NOTAMs; the Captain of a B777 initially followed the wrong yellow ramp taxi line that did not provide adequate safety margins. An alert Ramp Controller advised of his error.
Narrative: Ramp markings are very confusing and misleading on the south apron at DEN. There is ramp construction taking place on the south ramp; which requires a south taxi deviation around the construction zone. There is an airport NOTAM; but I would suggest that this NOTAM be expanded to add clarity. We entered the ramp from the east side and came in on Taxiway Alpha North and began our westbound taxi on the ramp. We were told to give way and follow an RJ that had just taxied away from the commuter terminal. Additionally; the Ramp Tower advised us of the construction ahead on the Alpha North Taxiway; and told us that we would see a yellow taxi line that would guide us around the construction zone. As we approached the construction zone; we noticed the Commuter RJ start a left turn and realized he was following the yellow line. We mistakenly followed the RJ on the same yellow line. This yellow line was a solid line and appeared to be the line that we had been told to follow. Once established on this line Ramp Control directed us away from the line we were on; stating that there is not enough room for a B777 on the purple line. It was at this point; that we realized that the yellow line we were following ran parallel to a solid purple line. Looking ahead; we saw a second solid yellow line; which was the one we were expected to be on.First a compliment to the Ramp Tower Controller who was watching us; and realized that we were not on the correct yellow line. I would suggest to Denver International Airport that they paint a different line for wide body aircraft to follow; perhaps a stripped yellow line or an alternating yellow and orange line. But listening to the original instructions to give way and follow the RJ and plan to follow the yellow line around the construction zone was very misleading. The expanded airport pages do describe the purple and green lines that are used for the ramp by smaller aircraft; however as we initially joined the solid yellow line; we did not see the purple line until we were closer to the terminal. Another suggestion would be to have ramp tell us to follow the 2nd yellow line around the construction zone. Not sure how to avoid the same mistake we made; as the markings are confusing. Perhaps sharing this information with the airport/ramp would help.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.