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Attributes | |
ACN | 105271 |
Time | |
Date | 198902 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pit |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : pit artcc : ztl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : ils |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 105271 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
While cleared for the ILS 28R approach into pit, the captain used the montour DME to identify the stepdown fixes. The kerrs intersection is 13 NM from the runway threshold. However, if using the montour VORTAC to identify kerrs, the aircraft is actually 14.8 NM from the runway threshold. Descending from 5000' at the mmj 13 DME fix places the aircraft at kerrs at 4000' resulting in a conflict with aircraft using the ILS 28L approach. Both aircraft are at 4000' with less than 1 mi horizontal separation. The proper way to identify kerrs intersection is crossing the allegheny county VORTAC 023 radial while on the ILS 28R localizer. Perhaps commercial chart could publish a bulletin advising not to use the mmj VORTAC DME to identify intxns at greater pittsburgh airport.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MDT MISID KERRS INTERSECTION ON PIT 28R ILS AND DESCENDS PRIOR TO CROSSING RESTRICTION.
Narrative: WHILE CLRED FOR THE ILS 28R APCH INTO PIT, THE CAPT USED THE MONTOUR DME TO IDENTIFY THE STEPDOWN FIXES. THE KERRS INTXN IS 13 NM FROM THE RWY THRESHOLD. HOWEVER, IF USING THE MONTOUR VORTAC TO IDENTIFY KERRS, THE ACFT IS ACTUALLY 14.8 NM FROM THE RWY THRESHOLD. DSNDING FROM 5000' AT THE MMJ 13 DME FIX PLACES THE ACFT AT KERRS AT 4000' RESULTING IN A CONFLICT WITH ACFT USING THE ILS 28L APCH. BOTH ACFT ARE AT 4000' WITH LESS THAN 1 MI HORIZ SEPARATION. THE PROPER WAY TO IDENTIFY KERRS INTXN IS XING THE ALLEGHENY COUNTY VORTAC 023 RADIAL WHILE ON THE ILS 28R LOC. PERHAPS COMMERCIAL CHART COULD PUBLISH A BULLETIN ADVISING NOT TO USE THE MMJ VORTAC DME TO IDENTIFY INTXNS AT GREATER PITTSBURGH ARPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.