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Attributes | |
ACN | 105807 |
Time | |
Date | 198903 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sba |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sba |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 4600 |
ASRS Report | 105807 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 6010 |
ASRS Report | 105755 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Upon taxi out I called ground control (sba) stating that I was out of FBO with information X with clearance. The ground controller then queried us, 'are you sure you have clearance?' I responded, 'affirmative, squawking abfe.' the next several xmissions volleyed back and forth as to the effect that he had no strip on us. While this occurred we had proceeded into taxiway B and were proceeding to runway 25. The controller then instructed us to 'stop' and then inquired as to whether we had clearance to taxi onto taxiway B. I responded, 'I don't recall with all of our conversation.' the sba controller responded, 'I didn't give you clearance, hold your position while I find your clearance strip.' finally the controller found his strip and we proceeded to runway 25. Sba tower cleared us for takeoff on runway 25 with a right downwind departure. I was flying right seat overseeing the pilot in the left seat for instructional purposes. Just prior to our starting the right downwind leg the tower advised us of traffic entering on a right downwind leg at our 11 O'clock position. I looked over the glare shield and saw the traffic and proceeded to start immediate evasive maneuvers. On the preceding trajectory we would have collided west/O evasive acton and secondarily would have collided during my downwind turn. This maneuver required full aileron deflection with the appropriate rudder response. The other aircraft was a single engine small aircraft. I had initially spotted the aircraft at approximately 150 yds. I notified the tower of the near miss. This incident was followed with a phone conversation to sbo tower personnel. Supplemental information from acn 105755: as we taxied into our transient parking area I called clearance delivery and received departure clearance, 'sba to oxnard VFR.' the clearance received was, 'depart runway 25 with a right downwind departure, squawk abfe.' we advised we would shut down for about 15-20 mins, then back up for departure. The controller again acknowledged.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA-SMT UNAUTH TAXI AND CLOSE PROX WITH GA-SMA AFTER TKOF.
Narrative: UPON TAXI OUT I CALLED GND CTL (SBA) STATING THAT I WAS OUT OF FBO WITH INFO X WITH CLRNC. THE GND CTLR THEN QUERIED US, 'ARE YOU SURE YOU HAVE CLRNC?' I RESPONDED, 'AFFIRMATIVE, SQUAWKING ABFE.' THE NEXT SEVERAL XMISSIONS VOLLEYED BACK AND FORTH AS TO THE EFFECT THAT HE HAD NO STRIP ON US. WHILE THIS OCCURRED WE HAD PROCEEDED INTO TXWY B AND WERE PROCEEDING TO RWY 25. THE CTLR THEN INSTRUCTED US TO 'STOP' AND THEN INQUIRED AS TO WHETHER WE HAD CLRNC TO TAXI ONTO TXWY B. I RESPONDED, 'I DON'T RECALL WITH ALL OF OUR CONVERSATION.' THE SBA CTLR RESPONDED, 'I DIDN'T GIVE YOU CLRNC, HOLD YOUR POS WHILE I FIND YOUR CLRNC STRIP.' FINALLY THE CTLR FOUND HIS STRIP AND WE PROCEEDED TO RWY 25. SBA TWR CLRED US FOR TKOF ON RWY 25 WITH A RIGHT DOWNWIND DEP. I WAS FLYING RIGHT SEAT OVERSEEING THE PLT IN THE LEFT SEAT FOR INSTRUCTIONAL PURPOSES. JUST PRIOR TO OUR STARTING THE RIGHT DOWNWIND LEG THE TWR ADVISED US OF TFC ENTERING ON A RIGHT DOWNWIND LEG AT OUR 11 O'CLOCK POS. I LOOKED OVER THE GLARE SHIELD AND SAW THE TFC AND PROCEEDED TO START IMMEDIATE EVASIVE MANEUVERS. ON THE PRECEDING TRAJECTORY WE WOULD HAVE COLLIDED W/O EVASIVE ACTON AND SECONDARILY WOULD HAVE COLLIDED DURING MY DOWNWIND TURN. THIS MANEUVER REQUIRED FULL AILERON DEFLECTION WITH THE APPROPRIATE RUDDER RESPONSE. THE OTHER ACFT WAS A SINGLE ENG SMA. I HAD INITIALLY SPOTTED THE ACFT AT APPROX 150 YDS. I NOTIFIED THE TWR OF THE NEAR MISS. THIS INCIDENT WAS FOLLOWED WITH A PHONE CONVERSATION TO SBO TWR PERSONNEL. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 105755: AS WE TAXIED INTO OUR TRANSIENT PARKING AREA I CALLED CLRNC DELIVERY AND RECEIVED DEP CLRNC, 'SBA TO OXNARD VFR.' THE CLRNC RECEIVED WAS, 'DEPART RWY 25 WITH A RIGHT DOWNWIND DEP, SQUAWK ABFE.' WE ADVISED WE WOULD SHUT DOWN FOR ABOUT 15-20 MINS, THEN BACK UP FOR DEP. THE CTLR AGAIN ACKNOWLEDGED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.