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After they had been vectored off of and then returned to the ravnn RNAV STAR to bwi; the flight crew of a B717-200; as well as the controller to which they were switched; were uncertain as to whether or not they had been 'cleared via' the STAR and were intending to comply with the STAR restrictions.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1062711 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201301 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | BWI.Airport |
| State Reference | MD |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B717 (Formerly MD-95) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Descent |
| Route In Use | STAR RAVNN |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Altitude Crossing Restriction Not Met Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
During descent into baltimore on the ravnn RNAV STAR we were vectored off the arrival numerous times and given assigned airspeed changes. After being vectored off the arrival we were cleared direct to ott; cross ott at 9;000. Neither the captain nor I ever heard 'descend via the ravnn arrival.' we complied with the clearance to cross ott at 9;000 and subsequently switched controllers. The next controller asked if we were going to make ravnn at 6;000. We told him that; although we had not heard a clearance to 'descend via' the arrival; we would descend to 6;000. The controller then cleared us to 'descend to 6;000' and never mentioned anything further about missing an altitude. No further incident occurred. In the future; when being vectored off the arrival and checking in with a new controller; it is would be wise to check with the new controller to make we are all on the same page as the previous controller. This way you know what is expected of you.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: After they had been vectored off of and then returned to the RAVNN RNAV STAR to BWI; the flight crew of a B717-200; as well as the Controller to which they were switched; were uncertain as to whether or not they had been 'cleared via' the STAR and were intending to comply with the STAR restrictions.
Narrative: During descent into Baltimore on the RAVNN RNAV STAR we were vectored off the arrival numerous times and given assigned airspeed changes. After being vectored off the arrival we were cleared direct to OTT; cross OTT at 9;000. Neither the Captain nor I ever heard 'Descend via the RAVNN arrival.' We complied with the clearance to cross OTT at 9;000 and subsequently switched controllers. The next Controller asked if we were going to make RAVNN at 6;000. We told him that; although we had not heard a clearance to 'Descend via' the arrival; we would descend to 6;000. The Controller then cleared us to 'descend to 6;000' and never mentioned anything further about missing an altitude. No further incident occurred. In the future; when being vectored off the arrival and checking in with a new controller; it is would be wise to check with the new controller to make we are all on the same page as the previous controller. This way you know what is expected of you.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.