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Attributes | |
ACN | 1079052 |
Time | |
Date | 201304 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | PHL.Airport |
State Reference | PA |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER/LR (CRJ200) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Route In Use | None |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Flight Data / Clearance Delivery |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types |
Narrative:
I was relieving clearance delivery; the supervisor was also being relieved. The asde-X went off for 27R and 35 converging. The controller on local east took no action. Both 27R (an E190) and 35 (a CRJ2) aircraft landed and a [runaway] 35 departure was at the end of the runway. I don't know if this was legal; it was certainly the tightest 27R and 35 I have ever seen in many years at phl; and this operation is our standard. I believe this to be very dangerous; even if the operation were legal. I think it is highly likely that the pilots may choose to go around on their own; and if both aircraft's pilots made that decision simultaneously it could be disastrous given that both would be a tie in the air with noses up and unable to see one another. I believe this has been reported as an issue in the past. There was to have been a work group to study this operation. I do not think it was ever formed. So far as I know; management at phl has taken no action. I suggest this work group be formed. It has also generally been practice to send one aircraft [around]if the asde goes off with the converging when in this operation. I don't know if that is suggested practice; but if so; perhaps the facility should be reminded of it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PHL Controller witnessed an ASDE-X conflict alert that was unheeded by the Local Controller. The reporter notes this type of no-action event is on-going and very dangerous.
Narrative: I was relieving Clearance Delivery; the Supervisor was also being relieved. The ASDE-X went off for 27R and 35 converging. The Controller on Local East took no action. Both 27R (an E190) and 35 (a CRJ2) aircraft landed and a [Runaway] 35 departure was at the end of the runway. I don't know if this was legal; it was certainly the tightest 27R and 35 I have ever seen in many years at PHL; and this operation is our standard. I believe this to be very dangerous; even if the operation were legal. I think it is highly likely that the pilots may choose to go around on their own; and if both aircraft's pilots made that decision simultaneously it could be disastrous given that both would be a tie in the air with noses up and unable to see one another. I believe this has been reported as an issue in the past. There was to have been a work group to study this operation. I do not think it was ever formed. So far as I know; management at PHL has taken no action. I suggest this work group be formed. It has also generally been practice to send one aircraft [around]if the ASDE goes off with the converging when in this operation. I don't know if that is suggested practice; but if so; perhaps the facility should be reminded of it.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.