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Attributes | |
ACN | 1080686 |
Time | |
Date | 201304 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | TTD.Airport |
State Reference | OR |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Private |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 10 Flight Crew Total 250 Flight Crew Type 25 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict NMAC |
Miss Distance | Horizontal 250 Vertical 0 |
Narrative:
I was departing on a routine flight. When I talked to ground control for a taxi clearance; I requested following and was given departure instructions with a squawk code and departure frequency. After pre takeoff checks; I switched over to tower frequency; and was cleared for takeoff on runway 25. I acknowledged the clearance and taxied on alpha 8 taxiway towards the end of the runway. Prior to lining up on the runway center line; I made a 45 degree left turn to check for landing traffic; and it was clear. I then lined up with the runway and advanced the throttle to full. I rotated at 70 knots; and then lowered the nose to about 80 knots. At around 250 feet AGL on my climb out; suddenly a helicopter appeared off my left wing tip. The helicopter was traveling the same direction as myself; descending; and was much slower. My position was in front of the control tower; approximately 20 feet north of the center line of runway 25. The position of the helicopter was in front of the control tower; and between taxiway bravo and runway 25. I believe that the helicopter was descending to taxiway bravo. I don't know from which direction initially; or whether they had a clearance to do so. However; they had drifted north of the taxiway significantly. And had I drifted to the left of the center line instead of slightly to the right; and they would have drifted just a little more into the active runway area; there is a good possibility that they would have landed on top of my wings. Since it seems unlikely that ATC would not know about this slow moving helicopter; why was I cleared for takeoff in the first place? Especially because it wasn't even busy! And since I was cleared for takeoff; why was neither the helicopter nor myself informed about the other's position? If the helicopter was cleared for an approach to the taxiway; why were 2 aircraft given clearances on a close collision course? The problem is that it is very difficult; if not impossible for either aircraft to see each other in this situation; making it more dangerous than other close traffic encounters. And I was given a direct clearance for this! Obviously; the solution would be to not have cleared us for takeoff. After all; I would rather burn a little more fuel than have an avoidable accident; but since I was cleared for takeoff; I should have been informed of the other traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Cessna 172 pilot reported an NMAC with a helicopter on departure from TTD. Reporter stated he would have appreciated a traffic alert call from ATC.
Narrative: I was departing on a routine flight. When I talked to ground control for a taxi clearance; I requested following and was given departure instructions with a squawk code and departure frequency. After pre takeoff checks; I switched over to Tower frequency; and was cleared for takeoff on Runway 25. I acknowledged the clearance and taxied on Alpha 8 Taxiway towards the end of the runway. Prior to lining up on the runway center line; I made a 45 degree left turn to check for landing traffic; and it was clear. I then lined up with the runway and advanced the throttle to full. I rotated at 70 knots; and then lowered the nose to about 80 knots. At around 250 feet AGL on my climb out; suddenly a helicopter appeared off my left wing tip. The helicopter was traveling the same direction as myself; descending; and was much slower. My position was in front of the Control Tower; approximately 20 feet north of the center line of Runway 25. The position of the helicopter was in front of the Control Tower; and between Taxiway Bravo and Runway 25. I believe that the helicopter was descending to Taxiway Bravo. I don't know from which direction initially; or whether they had a clearance to do so. However; they had drifted north of the taxiway significantly. And had I drifted to the left of the center line instead of slightly to the right; and they would have drifted just a little more into the active runway area; there is a good possibility that they would have landed on top of my wings. Since it seems unlikely that ATC would not know about this slow moving helicopter; why was I cleared for takeoff in the first place? Especially because it wasn't even busy! And since I was cleared for takeoff; why was neither the helicopter nor myself informed about the other's position? If the helicopter was cleared for an approach to the taxiway; why were 2 aircraft given clearances on a close collision course? The problem is that it is very difficult; if not impossible for either aircraft to see each other in this situation; making it more dangerous than other close traffic encounters. And I was given a direct clearance for this! Obviously; the solution would be to not have cleared us for takeoff. After all; I would rather burn a little more fuel than have an avoidable accident; but since I was cleared for takeoff; I should have been informed of the other traffic.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.