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Attributes | |
ACN | 223781 |
Time | |
Date | 199210 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : grr |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : grr |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 2 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 2000 flight time type : 120 |
ASRS Report | 223781 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Narrative:
I was en route from dayton to grand rapids at 6000 ft in a twin. After passing kalamazoo, mi, I was handed off to grand rapids approach. I contacted grand rapids approach and requested a lower altitude. I was cleared down to 4000 ft and was advised to maintain 190 KTS or better. I replied that I was unable and was then advised to maintain at least 160 KTS. I confirmed the 160 KTS and leveled off at 4000 ft. I was on a northerly heading expecting the ILS for 8R at grand rapids. Grand rapids approach cleared me to 2500 ft, had me turn right to 060, cleared me for the ILS 8R approach, advised me to resume normal speed and told me to contact the tower. The problem was that I was passing over the OM still on a northerly heading at the time. It was all I could do to slow down, lower the gear, bank to capture the localizer which swung instantly from full scale left to full scale right and descend to capture the GS which was full scale down. I was able to recapture both the localizer and GS before reaching mins and landed safely. It would make sense to me that if the ceilings are 200 ft that approach control would give you a more relaxed approach than this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: APCH CTLR TECHNIQUE ATC WAS NOT APPRECIATED BY PLT OF SMA TWIN. RADAR VECTORING TOO CLOSE AND HIGH TO LOM.
Narrative: I WAS ENRTE FROM DAYTON TO GRAND RAPIDS AT 6000 FT IN A TWIN. AFTER PASSING KALAMAZOO, MI, I WAS HANDED OFF TO GRAND RAPIDS APCH. I CONTACTED GRAND RAPIDS APCH AND REQUESTED A LOWER ALT. I WAS CLRED DOWN TO 4000 FT AND WAS ADVISED TO MAINTAIN 190 KTS OR BETTER. I REPLIED THAT I WAS UNABLE AND WAS THEN ADVISED TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST 160 KTS. I CONFIRMED THE 160 KTS AND LEVELED OFF AT 4000 FT. I WAS ON A NORTHERLY HDG EXPECTING THE ILS FOR 8R AT GRAND RAPIDS. GRAND RAPIDS APCH CLRED ME TO 2500 FT, HAD ME TURN RIGHT TO 060, CLRED ME FOR THE ILS 8R APCH, ADVISED ME TO RESUME NORMAL SPD AND TOLD ME TO CONTACT THE TWR. THE PROBLEM WAS THAT I WAS PASSING OVER THE OM STILL ON A NORTHERLY HDG AT THE TIME. IT WAS ALL I COULD DO TO SLOW DOWN, LOWER THE GEAR, BANK TO CAPTURE THE LOC WHICH SWUNG INSTANTLY FROM FULL SCALE L TO FULL SCALE R AND DSND TO CAPTURE THE GS WHICH WAS FULL SCALE DOWN. I WAS ABLE TO RECAPTURE BOTH THE LOC AND GS BEFORE REACHING MINS AND LANDED SAFELY. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT IF THE CEILINGS ARE 200 FT THAT APCH CTL WOULD GIVE YOU A MORE RELAXED APCH THAN THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.