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Attributes | |
ACN | 1090277 |
Time | |
Date | 201305 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZTL.ARTCC |
State Reference | GA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Citation V/Ultra/Encore (C560) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Flying Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Flight Instructor |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 64 Flight Crew Total 8265 Flight Crew Type 1028 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
Enroute from ZZZ; I was the pilot flying from the left seat; the chief pilot was in the right seat and working the radios. Near foothills (odf) VOR; atlanta center asked what kind of approach we would like. We replied the visual; and were told to expect the visual and report the airport in site. We were then cleared to descend to 7;300 feet. The IAF is dayel intersection at or above 7;000 feet (16.3 miles from the airport.) I had planned to remain at 7;300 feet until 4.5 miles from jasvu intersection (9.7 miles from the airport and 3680 feet above minimums.) as it came time to descend I request the chief pilot to set the altitude select for 5;700 feet for the jasvu crossing; he complied; and we started down. The airport was in sight. We were VMC but still on the IFR flight plan; after descending 300-500 feet; I had it in my mind we were already cleared for the visual approach and I asked the chief pilot if we were. About that time center said; I see you have started descent and we replied that we had and canceled the IFR flight plan. We did not report the airport in sight; and apparently were not yet cleared for the visual. The close proximity to the airport; the need to start down; being in VMC and having heard 'expect the visual;' prompted me to start down; thinking that we had been cleared for the visual. The chief pilot didn't catch it either until I questioned him. There was no traffic conflict or separation loss. The center did not mention any deviation. Although the proper crew co-ordination is for the pilot not flying to handle and talk on the radios; I have always found that if I talk on the radios as the pilot flying; it is easier to stay 'in the loop' on what is going on. Lesson learned is basic; if in doubt ask.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A corporate flight crew began a visual approach descent without clearance from ZTL because they heard 'Expect the Visual' and began a descent when they felt they would have normally.
Narrative: Enroute from ZZZ; I was the pilot flying from the left seat; the Chief Pilot was in the right seat and working the radios. Near Foothills (ODF) VOR; Atlanta Center asked what kind of approach we would like. We replied the visual; and were told to expect the visual and report the airport in site. We were then cleared to descend to 7;300 feet. The IAF is DAYEL intersection at or above 7;000 feet (16.3 miles from the airport.) I had planned to remain at 7;300 feet until 4.5 miles from JASVU intersection (9.7 miles from the airport and 3680 feet above minimums.) As it came time to descend I request the Chief Pilot to set the Altitude Select for 5;700 feet for the JASVU crossing; he complied; and we started down. The airport was in sight. We were VMC but still on the IFR flight plan; after descending 300-500 feet; I had it in my mind we were already cleared for the visual approach and I asked the Chief Pilot if we were. About that time Center said; I see you have started descent and we replied that we had and canceled the IFR flight plan. We did not report the airport in sight; and apparently were not yet cleared for the visual. The close proximity to the airport; the need to start down; being in VMC and having heard 'expect the visual;' prompted me to start down; thinking that we had been cleared for the Visual. The Chief pilot didn't catch it either until I questioned him. There was no traffic conflict or separation loss. The Center did not mention any deviation. Although the proper crew co-ordination is for the pilot not flying to handle and talk on the radios; I have always found that if I talk on the radios as the pilot flying; it is easier to stay 'in the loop' on what is going on. Lesson learned is basic; if in doubt ask.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.