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Attributes | |
ACN | 109199 |
Time | |
Date | 198904 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 230 |
ASRS Report | 109199 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 109223 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On approach with ord TRACON, descending. Several company flight #'south similar to our own. Xxy was our flight, yxx was ahead of us, and xxz was behind. I was working the radios. Realizing the potential problems with the flight, I was reading back our flight # phonetically. Xxz was also reading back phonetically. I was reading the #'south back very slowly and the clrncs. We were given several dscnts, first from 10000 to 8000', then to 6000, then to 4000'. Each time I was very careful to read back the descent clearance and airline xxy. You could tell that the controller was also trying to avoid any mix up. I distinctly remember reading back clearance to 4000'. While we were passing 5500' controller asked for verification of altitude. We told him 4000'. He said, 'no,' and instructed us to level at 5000'. We so complied. Controller didn't make any further comments. The controller was very busy. With such similar flight #'south it is no wonder that there was a problem. We (airline) should realign our flight so this will not happen again. The controller's job at ord TRACON is tough enough.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: 3 FLTS, SAME COMPANY, SIMILAR FLT IDENTIFIERS. ALL ON APCH AT THE SAME TIME.
Narrative: ON APCH WITH ORD TRACON, DSNDING. SEVERAL COMPANY FLT #'S SIMILAR TO OUR OWN. XXY WAS OUR FLT, YXX WAS AHEAD OF US, AND XXZ WAS BEHIND. I WAS WORKING THE RADIOS. REALIZING THE POTENTIAL PROBS WITH THE FLT, I WAS READING BACK OUR FLT # PHONETICALLY. XXZ WAS ALSO READING BACK PHONETICALLY. I WAS READING THE #'S BACK VERY SLOWLY AND THE CLRNCS. WE WERE GIVEN SEVERAL DSCNTS, FIRST FROM 10000 TO 8000', THEN TO 6000, THEN TO 4000'. EACH TIME I WAS VERY CAREFUL TO READ BACK THE DSCNT CLRNC AND AIRLINE XXY. YOU COULD TELL THAT THE CTLR WAS ALSO TRYING TO AVOID ANY MIX UP. I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER READING BACK CLRNC TO 4000'. WHILE WE WERE PASSING 5500' CTLR ASKED FOR VERIFICATION OF ALT. WE TOLD HIM 4000'. HE SAID, 'NO,' AND INSTRUCTED US TO LEVEL AT 5000'. WE SO COMPLIED. CTLR DIDN'T MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. THE CTLR WAS VERY BUSY. WITH SUCH SIMILAR FLT #'S IT IS NO WONDER THAT THERE WAS A PROB. WE (AIRLINE) SHOULD REALIGN OUR FLT SO THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. THE CTLR'S JOB AT ORD TRACON IS TOUGH ENOUGH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.