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Attributes | |
ACN | 1094709 |
Time | |
Date | 201306 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | MIA.TRACON |
State Reference | FL |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
We followed pre-departure procedures per fom and ph; including route verification and departure briefing. After takeoff; when handed over to departure control; we were told that we were not supposed to turn on the RNAV departure and instead we were supposed to hold a heading. We explained that we had not received that amended clearance via pre departure clearance nor had the tower told us about it. ATC's reply was 'it was on the ATIS.' although I have heard ATIS information say things like 'expect to fly the RNAV departure' or 'expect to fly runway heading;' I have never gotten an amended release to a pre departure clearance clearance via ATIS. Out of mia; in fact; we are sometimes assigned a heading by the tower before takeoff. Note: I am new on the airbus; and ATIS arrives to us via a piece of paper. I noted the ATIS we got after this event and it was arrival ATIS. Apparently; this is always the case when requesting ATIS via the mcdu. The 'amended clearance' was on the departure ATIS which; in hindsight; is something that we should have gotten over the radio. 1) there should never be an amended clearance delivered over the ATIS; especially if it is not reflected on the pre departure clearance. 2) we got arrival ATIS instead of departure ATIS. For # 1: tell ATC to stop that confusing procedure. Pdcs should never be amended via ATIS. For # 2: emphasize that sometimes airports have different ATIS; one for arrival and one for departures...and put out a bulletin emphasizing the importance of getting the correct information for the next phase of flight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 Captain reports departing MIA without a revision to their PDC issued via Departure ATIS. ATIS requested via ACARS is Arrival ATIS and did not contain the revision.
Narrative: We followed pre-departure procedures per FOM and PH; including route verification and departure briefing. After takeoff; when handed over to Departure Control; we were told that we were not supposed to turn on the RNAV departure and instead we were supposed to hold a heading. We explained that we had not received that amended clearance via PDC NOR had the Tower told us about it. ATC's reply was 'It was on the ATIS.' Although I have heard ATIS information say things like 'expect to fly the RNAV departure' or 'expect to fly runway heading;' I have never gotten an amended release to a PDC clearance via ATIS. Out of MIA; in fact; we are sometimes assigned a heading by the Tower before takeoff. NOTE: I am new on the Airbus; and ATIS arrives to us via a piece of paper. I noted the ATIS we got after this event and it was Arrival ATIS. Apparently; this is always the case when requesting ATIS via the MCDU. The 'amended clearance' was on the DEPARTURE ATIS which; in hindsight; is something that we should have gotten over the radio. 1) There should never be an amended clearance delivered over the ATIS; especially if it is not reflected on the PDC. 2) We got arrival ATIS instead of departure ATIS. For # 1: Tell ATC to stop that confusing procedure. PDCs should never be amended via ATIS. For # 2: Emphasize that sometimes airports have different ATIS; one for arrival and one for departures...and put out a bulletin emphasizing the importance of getting the correct information for the next phase of flight.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.