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Attributes | |
ACN | 1102202 |
Time | |
Date | 201307 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZAU.ARTCC |
State Reference | IL |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER/LR (CRJ200) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
We received a dispatch release with the following flight plan: cvg-mumie-lovey-cadiz-obk. ATC sent our clearance over ACARS as: '- LOVEY5 cadiz - cvg-LOVEY5-cadiz.' I programmed the computer with the LOVEY5 departure then to cadiz. With the following waypoints: cvg-LOVEY5-lovey-cadiz the captain and I reviewed the waypoints and agreed with it.[after departure] [w]e received a call from ATC querying our routing; and we told them. They then informed us we were supposed to be on the cadiz transition. They vectored us around traffic; no traffic near us per TCAS; so no imminent threat. ATC then questioned us on this because they have been experiencing multiple deviations from [our pilots] on this particular departure. We were still working out what went wrong [but] the flight continued with no further problems. ATC did not give us a number or anything; but they said they were going to look into because this is becoming a recurring deviation.when I look back at it; I find: the dispatch release is a modified LOVEY5 departure; when we received the ATC amendment we [understood it] to add in the missing fixes to lovey then cadiz. Dispatch should use the entire departure not portions of it. The ATC change [modified segment] states '-LOVEY5 cadiz-' which; with our release; easily implies (or at least it did to us and apparently others who made the same deviation) [cleared] to lovey by LOVEY5 (which encompassed looking at initial climb and routing on the departure) then cadiz. I really think they should state 'cadiz transition'; because we took it [cadiz] as just a fix; not an entire procedure. When we reviewed the fixes we followed the departure SID to lovey then switched to the dispatch release with cadiz; I should have looked at the two routes past lovey and queried ATC as to a more detailed routing; the only problem is that neither the captain nor I had any questions or second thoughts on the routing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: The flight crew of a CRJ misinterpreted their revised PDC clearance out of CVG to read 'fly the LOVEY SID to LOVEY; thence direct CADIZ on course.' When they departed LOVEY ATC advised the clearance read 'LOVEY5.CADIZ' which clears them to fly the LOVEY SID; CADIZ transition; then provided vectors on course. Per the reporter ATC advises this is a frequent deviation on this SID.
Narrative: We received a dispatch release with the following flight plan: CVG-MUMIE-LOVEY-CADIZ-OBK. ATC sent our clearance over ACARS as: '- LOVEY5 CADIZ - CVG-LOVEY5-CADIZ.' I programmed the computer with the LOVEY5 departure then to CADIZ. With the following waypoints: CVG-LOVEY5-LOVEY-CADIZ the Captain and I reviewed the waypoints and agreed with it.[After departure] [w]e received a call from ATC querying our routing; and we told them. They then informed us we were supposed to be on the CADIZ TRANSITION. They vectored us around traffic; no traffic near us per TCAS; so no imminent threat. ATC then questioned us on this because they have been experiencing multiple deviations from [our pilots] on this particular departure. We were still working out what went wrong [but] the flight continued with no further problems. ATC did not give us a number or anything; but they said they were going to look into because this is becoming a recurring deviation.When I look back at it; I find: The dispatch release is a modified LOVEY5 departure; when we received the ATC amendment we [understood it] to add in the missing fixes to LOVEY then CADIZ. Dispatch should use the entire departure not portions of it. The ATC change [modified segment] states '-LOVEY5 CADIZ-' which; with our release; easily implies (or at least it did to us and apparently others who made the same deviation) [cleared] to LOVEY by LOVEY5 (which encompassed looking at INITIAL CLIMB and ROUTING on the departure) then CADIZ. I really think they should state 'CADIZ TRANSITION'; because we took it [CADIZ] as just a fix; not an entire procedure. When we reviewed the fixes we followed the departure SID to LOVEY then switched to the dispatch release with CADIZ; I should have looked at the two routes past LOVEY and queried ATC as to a more detailed routing; the only problem is that neither the Captain nor I had any questions or second thoughts on the routing.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.