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Attributes | |
ACN | 1104254 |
Time | |
Date | 201307 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZSE.ARTCC |
State Reference | WA |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B747-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR BONVL 7 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
A B747-400 was flying imb; BONVL7; pdx at FL380. In the vicinity of imb; I issued the clearance 'B747 descend and maintain FL240.' I gave this clearance because I had crossing traffic at FL380 as well as addition arrivals ahead of the 747. The B747 asked me; 'say again; center?' I told him to descend and maintain FL240. He read back; 'descend via the BONVL7 arrival.' I corrected him saying; 'no; descend and maintain FL240.' he mumbled something about; 'present heading descending to FL240.' at imb the BONVL7 makes a slight turn to the right. The B747 did not make that turn but he did start his descent. I called my supervisor over and discussed what happened and we talked about what whether we should vector him; or give him a fix to fly direct to. The B747 was off course by about 5 miles; diverging by about 15 degrees for approximately 4 minutes when the pilot called up and asked; 'B747; verify direct pdx.' I tried to explain; 'no; you are supposed to fly the profile of the BONVL7 but descend and maintain FL240.' then the B747 pilot read back; 'roger; BONVL7'; I then cleared 'B747 direct dufur; descend and maintain FL240.' he read that back correctly and I gave him a frequency change to the next controller. I'm at a loss for words on how to fix this situation. When clearances can be difficult to understand we are suppose to resort to using plain language; but I think plain language only drives the communication gap further apart. How can I possibly simplify my clearance any more than a simple control instruction as 'descend and maintain' an altitude? How can the pilot of a B747 mistake that for anything other than what it was? If he had continued descending direct pdx instead of flying the arrival; he would have descended into mt. Hood.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZSE Controller described a confused descent clearance interpretation by an air carrier arrival; noting the apparent confusion between 'descend via' vs. a conventional 'descend' instruction.
Narrative: A B747-400 was flying IMB; BONVL7; PDX at FL380. In the vicinity of IMB; I issued the clearance 'B747 descend and maintain FL240.' I gave this clearance because I had crossing traffic at FL380 as well as addition arrivals ahead of the 747. The B747 asked me; 'Say again; Center?' I told him to descend and maintain FL240. He read back; 'Descend via the BONVL7 Arrival.' I corrected him saying; 'No; descend and maintain FL240.' He mumbled something about; 'Present Heading descending to FL240.' At IMB the BONVL7 makes a slight turn to the right. The B747 did not make that turn but he did start his descent. I called my Supervisor over and discussed what happened and we talked about what whether we should vector him; or give him a fix to fly direct to. The B747 was off course by about 5 miles; diverging by about 15 degrees for approximately 4 minutes when the pilot called up and asked; 'B747; verify direct PDX.' I tried to explain; 'No; you are supposed to fly the profile of the BONVL7 but descend and maintain FL240.' Then the B747 pilot read back; 'Roger; BONVL7'; I then cleared 'B747 direct DUFUR; descend and maintain FL240.' He read that back correctly and I gave him a frequency change to the next Controller. I'm at a loss for words on how to fix this situation. When clearances can be difficult to understand we are suppose to resort to using plain language; but I think plain language only drives the communication gap further apart. How can I possibly simplify my clearance any more than a simple control instruction as 'Descend and Maintain' an altitude? How can the pilot of a B747 mistake that for anything other than what it was? If he had continued descending direct PDX instead of flying the arrival; he would have descended into Mt. Hood.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.