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Attributes | |
ACN | 111060 |
Time | |
Date | 198905 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : oak |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 30 agl bound upper : 30 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : oak |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 111060 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
20 mi out from oak while with approach control, we confirmed the airport and runway in sight. Runway 29 cl, alsf-1, and TDZ lights plainly idented. Although cleared for the visibility, we requested runway vectors for the ILS due to some scattered low clouds between us and the airport. It was not until crossing the runway threshold that I asked the captain if he thought the runway edge lights were on, and that I had adequate reference for T/D in any event. We quickly agreed that continuing the landing was the safe course of action. While taxiing in we questioned tower on the lighting intensity of the runway edge lights. He said the control southwest was in the on position, but would rechk. After doing so, the runway edge lights illuminated very obviously. We still were not sure if the lights were off, or just set at their lowest intensity. It is my judgement that even if the lights were not on, that continuation of the landing from that altitude was the safest course of action given the positive visibility cues at hand, official sunset notwithstanding.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RWY EDGE LIGHTS APPEARED TO BE EXTREMELY DIM OR POSSIBLY OFF DURING LNDG.
Narrative: 20 MI OUT FROM OAK WHILE WITH APCH CTL, WE CONFIRMED THE ARPT AND RWY IN SIGHT. RWY 29 CL, ALSF-1, AND TDZ LIGHTS PLAINLY IDENTED. ALTHOUGH CLRED FOR THE VIS, WE REQUESTED RWY VECTORS FOR THE ILS DUE TO SOME SCATTERED LOW CLOUDS BTWN US AND THE ARPT. IT WAS NOT UNTIL XING THE RWY THRESHOLD THAT I ASKED THE CAPT IF HE THOUGHT THE RWY EDGE LIGHTS WERE ON, AND THAT I HAD ADEQUATE REF FOR T/D IN ANY EVENT. WE QUICKLY AGREED THAT CONTINUING THE LNDG WAS THE SAFE COURSE OF ACTION. WHILE TAXIING IN WE QUESTIONED TWR ON THE LIGHTING INTENSITY OF THE RWY EDGE LIGHTS. HE SAID THE CTL SW WAS IN THE ON POS, BUT WOULD RECHK. AFTER DOING SO, THE RWY EDGE LIGHTS ILLUMINATED VERY OBVIOUSLY. WE STILL WERE NOT SURE IF THE LIGHTS WERE OFF, OR JUST SET AT THEIR LOWEST INTENSITY. IT IS MY JUDGEMENT THAT EVEN IF THE LIGHTS WERE NOT ON, THAT CONTINUATION OF THE LNDG FROM THAT ALT WAS THE SAFEST COURSE OF ACTION GIVEN THE POSITIVE VIS CUES AT HAND, OFFICIAL SUNSET NOTWITHSTANDING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.