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Sfo air carrier departure voiced concerning regarding ATC's procedure and phraseology reference a takeoff clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1118659 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201309 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | SFO.Tower |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER/LR (CRJ200) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Takeoff |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
A company brasilia was [cleared to] taxi into position and hold. Sfo tower controller asked if we were ok with lining up on the runway behind company; I said 'no!' unequivocally 'no!' I believe after the tenerife disaster; placing two planes on an active runway simultaneously at the same time was made illegal and is prohibited by 7110.65. Next; this controller said; 'after departure; fly heading 010; hold short zero one right;' which was somewhat counterintuitive and seemed prone to encourage a runway incursion. He repeated this instruction after we queried him. We had a check airman in the jumpseat who was giving us a line check; and he also got upset at what the controller was doing; and stated; 'what he's doing is trying to give someone a runway incursion.' in any event; both events are bad practices; and should definitely be addressed! Cause; poor and possible controller deviation. Improper phraseology and application of procedures specified in the 7110.65 for tower operations.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SFO Air Carrier departure voiced concerning regarding ATC's procedure and phraseology reference a takeoff clearance.
Narrative: A company Brasilia was [cleared to] taxi into position and hold. SFO Tower Controller asked if we were ok with lining up on the runway behind company; I said 'NO!' Unequivocally 'NO!' I believe after the Tenerife disaster; placing two planes on an active runway simultaneously at the same time was made illegal and is prohibited by 7110.65. Next; this Controller said; 'After departure; fly heading 010; hold short zero one right;' which was somewhat counterintuitive and seemed prone to encourage a runway incursion. He repeated this instruction after we queried him. We had a check airman in the jumpseat who was giving us a line check; and he also got upset at what the Controller was doing; and stated; 'What he's doing is trying to give someone a runway incursion.' In any event; both events are bad practices; and should definitely be addressed! Cause; poor and possible Controller deviation. Improper phraseology and application of procedures specified in the 7110.65 for Tower operations.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.