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Pilot of small aircraft enroute scottsdale airport flying over falcon airport attempted to contact phx TRACON but was unable. Subsequently penetrated falcon air traffic area without ATC clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 112713 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198905 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ffz |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : phx tower : ffz |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 1200 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 112713 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified cockpit |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Called falcon tower 124.6. Asked for crossing east to west over airport at 3000 for scottsdale airport. Falcon replied 'all space above 3000 delegated to phoenix approach 124.1'. So we called phx approach. No response, and again approach ignored us. By now we are in falcon field airspace (5 SM 3000 AGL) without permission and phoenix approach will not acknowledge us. This happens on a regular basis. We continued on to scottsdale airport. I called falcon tower about this. If airspace within an air traffic area is delegated to a larger controling facility, that facility needs to respond to requests by little airplanes as well as big ones! I fly both kinds and, on a regular basis, have been ignored by phoenix approach (TRACON) when in small aircraft aircraft. Complaints to phoenix bring no results.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT OF SMA ENROUTE SCOTTSDALE ARPT FLYING OVER FALCON ARPT ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT PHX TRACON BUT WAS UNABLE. SUBSEQUENTLY PENETRATED FALCON ATA WITHOUT ATC CLRNC.
Narrative: CALLED FALCON TWR 124.6. ASKED FOR XING EAST TO WEST OVER ARPT AT 3000 FOR SCOTTSDALE ARPT. FALCON REPLIED 'ALL SPACE ABOVE 3000 DELEGATED TO PHOENIX APCH 124.1'. SO WE CALLED PHX APCH. NO RESPONSE, AND AGAIN APCH IGNORED US. BY NOW WE ARE IN FALCON FIELD AIRSPACE (5 SM 3000 AGL) WITHOUT PERMISSION AND PHOENIX APCH WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE US. THIS HAPPENS ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE CONTINUED ON TO SCOTTSDALE ARPT. I CALLED FALCON TWR ABOUT THIS. IF AIRSPACE WITHIN AN ATA IS DELEGATED TO A LARGER CTLING FAC, THAT FAC NEEDS TO RESPOND TO REQUESTS BY LITTLE AIRPLANES AS WELL AS BIG ONES! I FLY BOTH KINDS AND, ON A REGULAR BASIS, HAVE BEEN IGNORED BY PHOENIX APCH (TRACON) WHEN IN SMA ACFT. COMPLAINTS TO PHOENIX BRING NO RESULTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.