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IFR aircraft flying in and out of clouds saw another IFR aircraft at the same altitude pass in close proximity.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 113113 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198906 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : rbv |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : wri |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Medium Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 1400 |
| ASRS Report | 113113 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were cleared direct to rbv VOR at 6000' talking to mcguire approach. There were broken cumulus clouds at varying heights. Visibility was 1-2 mi between clouds. We had just come out of a cloud when I saw an small aircraft come out from behind a cloud at our same altitude in our 2:30 position. We were on a northwest heading, he was on a south heading. I called traffic but there was no time to react. He passed about 100' behind us. He didn't take any evasive action either. We called approach about the traffic. He told us he was IFR and assigned to 6000'. I have been working with mcguire for about 5 years now and have always noticed the controllers aren't quite with it. They may have a lot of trainees. They don't answer you, don't seem to know where you are, and have poor radio skills.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IFR ACFT FLYING IN AND OUT OF CLOUDS SAW ANOTHER IFR ACFT AT THE SAME ALT PASS IN CLOSE PROX.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED DIRECT TO RBV VOR AT 6000' TALKING TO MCGUIRE APCH. THERE WERE BROKEN CUMULUS CLOUDS AT VARYING HEIGHTS. VISIBILITY WAS 1-2 MI BETWEEN CLOUDS. WE HAD JUST COME OUT OF A CLOUD WHEN I SAW AN SMA COME OUT FROM BEHIND A CLOUD AT OUR SAME ALT IN OUR 2:30 POSITION. WE WERE ON A NW HDG, HE WAS ON A S HDG. I CALLED TFC BUT THERE WAS NO TIME TO REACT. HE PASSED ABOUT 100' BEHIND US. HE DIDN'T TAKE ANY EVASIVE ACTION EITHER. WE CALLED APCH ABOUT THE TFC. HE TOLD US HE WAS IFR AND ASSIGNED TO 6000'. I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH MCGUIRE FOR ABOUT 5 YEARS NOW AND HAVE ALWAYS NOTICED THE CTLRS AREN'T QUITE WITH IT. THEY MAY HAVE A LOT OF TRAINEES. THEY DON'T ANSWER YOU, DON'T SEEM TO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, AND HAVE POOR RADIO SKILLS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.