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Attributes | |
ACN | 113619 |
Time | |
Date | 198905 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bos |
State Reference | MA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bos |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 113619 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | other physical facility procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were flying the CAT ii ILS 04R approach to bos. The WX had been called 100 overcast 1/16 RVR 04R-8v14. It was reported RVR 60 shortly before we landed. We were on the localizer inbound with clearance to 3000. From about 2-3 mi south of nabbo to past miltt, I tried to obtain approach clearance. I could not because the frequency was saturated. We were past miltt before I could talk to the controller. The controller said he thought he had given us clearance for the approach. He then brought us around with a quick pattern and we landed without further incident. The controller apologized for our missed approach. I later talked to another airline crew that was in a widebody transport behind us on approach. They said they did not hear us get a clearance. They added it was hard for them to get a clearance because of the frequency saturation. I would like to state that the controller was calm and collected during the process and handled it well. I feel his performance was above the standards considering the conditions. I do not know how many aircraft were on the final approach frequency but we went 7-8 mi trying to make radio contact but were unable to do so because so many different voices were on the frequency. When we are flying to CAT I or ii minimums, from a safety and operational viewpoint, it seems we should be able to make radio contact in no more than 30-40 seconds. I might add that our fuel state was such that we were within a few minutes of heading to our alternate.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR UNABLE TO OBTAIN APCH CLRNC ACCOUNT FREQ CONGESTION.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING THE CAT II ILS 04R APCH TO BOS. THE WX HAD BEEN CALLED 100 OVERCAST 1/16 RVR 04R-8V14. IT WAS REPORTED RVR 60 SHORTLY BEFORE WE LANDED. WE WERE ON THE LOC INBND WITH CLRNC TO 3000. FROM ABOUT 2-3 MI S OF NABBO TO PAST MILTT, I TRIED TO OBTAIN APCH CLRNC. I COULD NOT BECAUSE THE FREQ WAS SATURATED. WE WERE PAST MILTT BEFORE I COULD TALK TO THE CTLR. THE CTLR SAID HE THOUGHT HE HAD GIVEN US CLRNC FOR THE APCH. HE THEN BROUGHT US AROUND WITH A QUICK PATTERN AND WE LANDED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. THE CTLR APOLOGIZED FOR OUR MISSED APCH. I LATER TALKED TO ANOTHER AIRLINE CREW THAT WAS IN A WDB BEHIND US ON APCH. THEY SAID THEY DID NOT HEAR US GET A CLRNC. THEY ADDED IT WAS HARD FOR THEM TO GET A CLRNC BECAUSE OF THE FREQ SATURATION. I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT THE CTLR WAS CALM AND COLLECTED DURING THE PROCESS AND HANDLED IT WELL. I FEEL HIS PERFORMANCE WAS ABOVE THE STANDARDS CONSIDERING THE CONDITIONS. I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY ACFT WERE ON THE FINAL APCH FREQ BUT WE WENT 7-8 MI TRYING TO MAKE RADIO CONTACT BUT WERE UNABLE TO DO SO BECAUSE SO MANY DIFFERENT VOICES WERE ON THE FREQ. WHEN WE ARE FLYING TO CAT I OR II MINIMUMS, FROM A SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL VIEWPOINT, IT SEEMS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE RADIO CONTACT IN NO MORE THAN 30-40 SECONDS. I MIGHT ADD THAT OUR FUEL STATE WAS SUCH THAT WE WERE WITHIN A FEW MINUTES OF HDG TO OUR ALTERNATE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.