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Attributes | |
ACN | 1137400 |
Time | |
Date | 201312 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.ARTCC |
State Reference | US |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream V / G500 / G550 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Other Holding Pattern |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict NMAC |
Narrative:
I had aircraft Y (I think) regional jet holding at xxxxx; just south of XXX. The aircraft was holding at 10;000 ft (showing 10;100 on the scope). I had a jet coming in to XXX also given holding; or was going to be given holding; can't remember. The aircraft was descending down to 11;000 ft or 12;000 ft. The aircraft inquired about cancelling and going in VFR. He then cancelled IFR and I told him to maintain VFR and I think I told; or at least suggested; he stay VFR at 10;500 ft or above. I thought I told him about the traffic holding at 10;000 ft. I thought he acknowledged the VFR 10;500 ft or above. As I went to call traffic to aircraft Y; I noticed what seemed to be a very fast descent on aircraft X. I quickly called to him and confirmed he was going to stay at 'ten-five' or above. I know it's not correct phraseology but I didn't feel I had time; that this was very serious. I had expected him to level so I wasn't expecting a serious situation that requires a traffic alert. Aircraft Y inquired as to what that aircraft was doing. I believe I told him he was VFR inbound to XXX; but can't remember if he said he was in sight or just using TCAS. Either way; it was very scary and close. Aircraft Y told me something about the aircraft not being VFR and I honestly didn't care; saying something to the effect of 'that's not my call' because I didn't care; I had radar and wanted to make sure they didn't hit; VFR or IFR. I think I needed to be more assured that the VFR aircraft was going to stay at 10;500 ft or above; even though that still doesn't guarantee he will. I have no idea how quickly it actually happened; but it felt very fast and I felt like I was very aware of the potential conflict; but just didn't expect a safety situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Enroute Controller described an unsafe event when IFR holding traffic and a VFR aircraft that cancelled IFR were in conflict; the Controller acknowledging increased altitude assurance from the VFR aircraft would have likely prevented the event.
Narrative: I had Aircraft Y (I think) regional jet holding at XXXXX; just south of XXX. The aircraft was holding at 10;000 FT (showing 10;100 on the scope). I had a jet coming in to XXX also given holding; or was going to be given holding; can't remember. The aircraft was descending down to 11;000 FT or 12;000 FT. The aircraft inquired about cancelling and going in VFR. He then cancelled IFR and I told him to maintain VFR and I think I told; or at least suggested; he stay VFR at 10;500 FT or above. I thought I told him about the traffic holding at 10;000 FT. I thought he acknowledged the VFR 10;500 FT or above. As I went to call traffic to Aircraft Y; I noticed what seemed to be a very fast descent on Aircraft X. I quickly called to him and confirmed he was going to stay at 'ten-five' or above. I know it's not correct phraseology but I didn't feel I had time; that this was very serious. I had expected him to level so I wasn't expecting a serious situation that requires a traffic alert. Aircraft Y inquired as to what that aircraft was doing. I believe I told him he was VFR inbound to XXX; but can't remember if he said he was in sight or just using TCAS. Either way; it was very scary and close. Aircraft Y told me something about the aircraft not being VFR and I honestly didn't care; saying something to the effect of 'that's not my call' because I didn't care; I had RADAR and wanted to make sure they didn't hit; VFR or IFR. I think I needed to be more assured that the VFR aircraft was going to stay at 10;500 FT or above; even though that still doesn't guarantee he will. I have no idea how quickly it actually happened; but it felt very fast and I felt like I was very aware of the potential conflict; but just didn't expect a safety situation.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.