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Attributes | |
ACN | 114495 |
Time | |
Date | 198906 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tracon : avl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 114493 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time total : 2400 |
ASRS Report | 114957 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
After vectors for an ILS to runway 22 at lga we were on the localizer at 4000'. The approach controller gave us a very rapid-fire clearance. The first officer said: 'I think he said, cleared for the approach, cross yeoman 3000' or above.' this is what I read back. We started a descent to 3000' and going thru 3500' the controller came back very agitated and said 'I said 4 till 15 DME, white plains is departing runway 16, climb and maintain 4000'. There had been thunderstorms in the area all afternoon and apparently the controllers were overworked. Voice radio communication still seems to be the weakest link in our system.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN REPORTER FLT AND APCH CTLR RESULTED IN CLRNC CONFUSION.
Narrative: AFTER VECTORS FOR AN ILS TO RWY 22 AT LGA WE WERE ON THE LOC AT 4000'. THE APCH CTLR GAVE US A VERY RAPID-FIRE CLRNC. THE F/O SAID: 'I THINK HE SAID, CLRED FOR THE APCH, CROSS YEOMAN 3000' OR ABOVE.' THIS IS WHAT I READ BACK. WE STARTED A DSCNT TO 3000' AND GOING THRU 3500' THE CTLR CAME BACK VERY AGITATED AND SAID 'I SAID 4 TILL 15 DME, WHITE PLAINS IS DEPARTING RWY 16, CLIMB AND MAINTAIN 4000'. THERE HAD BEEN TSTMS IN THE AREA ALL AFTERNOON AND APPARENTLY THE CTLRS WERE OVERWORKED. VOICE RADIO COM STILL SEEMS TO BE THE WEAKEST LINK IN OUR SYSTEM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.