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Attributes | |
ACN | 116513 |
Time | |
Date | 198907 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : den |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 9120 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 116513 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2500 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Another turbojet medium large transport xy and my aircraft were vectored to within about 1/2 mi of each other for visual apches to runways 17 at den with altitude separation (he was maintaining 10,000 MSL straight in and we were maintaining 9000 MSL on dog-leg to final. He apparently never saw us (according to later phone call to den approach control), and was vectored out of pattern. We had airport in sight but did not see him until we were about a mile apart, due to irregular nature of cloud bases. Simultaneous with his turn away from us as described above, we were turned for a dog-leg to final from other side as our vector was overshooting us for final. As soon as we started the turn we picked up other traffic ahead going to runway 17R and we were cleared to follow him on a visual to 17R. Apparently the plan was to send the xy to 17L and us xx to 17R. Although no conflict existed due to altitude separation, I think the plan was bad to start with. Had the xy misidentified the traffic I ended up following as being his traffic (which was apparently me) and then had he been cleared for an approach, it is very conceivable that a very close near miss (or radical evasive action) would have resulted. Even in cavu WX, I think safety would be greatly enhanced by standard lateral separation on parallel visual apches to runways as close together as those. Let's do it now, before an accident!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: REPORTER CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC 1000' ABOVE HIM AND ONE HALF MILE ON PARALLEL APCH TO DEN.
Narrative: ANOTHER TURBOJET MLG XY AND MY ACFT WERE VECTORED TO WITHIN ABOUT 1/2 MI OF EACH OTHER FOR VISUAL APCHES TO RWYS 17 AT DEN WITH ALT SEPARATION (HE WAS MAINTAINING 10,000 MSL STRAIGHT IN AND WE WERE MAINTAINING 9000 MSL ON DOG-LEG TO FINAL. HE APPARENTLY NEVER SAW US (ACCORDING TO LATER PHONE CALL TO DEN APCH CTL), AND WAS VECTORED OUT OF PATTERN. WE HAD ARPT IN SIGHT BUT DID NOT SEE HIM UNTIL WE WERE ABOUT A MILE APART, DUE TO IRREGULAR NATURE OF CLOUD BASES. SIMULTANEOUS WITH HIS TURN AWAY FROM US AS DESCRIBED ABOVE, WE WERE TURNED FOR A DOG-LEG TO FINAL FROM OTHER SIDE AS OUR VECTOR WAS OVERSHOOTING US FOR FINAL. AS SOON AS WE STARTED THE TURN WE PICKED UP OTHER TFC AHEAD GOING TO RWY 17R AND WE WERE CLRED TO FOLLOW HIM ON A VISUAL TO 17R. APPARENTLY THE PLAN WAS TO SEND THE XY TO 17L AND US XX TO 17R. ALTHOUGH NO CONFLICT EXISTED DUE TO ALT SEPARATION, I THINK THE PLAN WAS BAD TO START WITH. HAD THE XY MISIDENTIFIED THE TFC I ENDED UP FOLLOWING AS BEING HIS TFC (WHICH WAS APPARENTLY ME) AND THEN HAD HE BEEN CLRED FOR AN APCH, IT IS VERY CONCEIVABLE THAT A VERY CLOSE NEAR MISS (OR RADICAL EVASIVE ACTION) WOULD HAVE RESULTED. EVEN IN CAVU WX, I THINK SAFETY WOULD BE GREATLY ENHANCED BY STANDARD LATERAL SEPARATION ON PARALLEL VISUAL APCHES TO RWYS AS CLOSE TOGETHER AS THOSE. LET'S DO IT NOW, BEFORE AN ACCIDENT!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.