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Attributes | |
ACN | 1188200 |
Time | |
Date | 201407 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying Trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural FAR Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Weight And Balance |
Narrative:
Flight departed without final weights being uplinked. Flight was delayed due to inbound delay. Our flight needed to receive an oceanic clearance on ground with ATC due to our oceanic entry point. A specific estimate is required for clearance. We were operating with oceanic entry point estimate and flight delay in the forefront of our departure effort. My experience with sabre to date has been trouble plagued. A computer crash resulting in a very long delay; gate return and numerous other glitches have left me frustrated and with an overall impression that it needs work. That was a contributing factor in this incident. With all doors closed we proceeded with pushback. An FMC message appeared that we didn't have our final weights. This occurred at a task heavy point. I'm communicating with the push crew and monitoring push while this occurred. I'm thinking that this must be another problem with sabre. How could a flight be 40 minutes late and there be no final numbers? The cargo doors had been shut for 20 minutes. Earlier my first officer had worked on and received takeoff performance for our planned ZFW; wind; and flap setting. During taxi we received a perf data uplink; which we accepted. Our earlier takeoff data matched; we agreed to use those numbers. Still no uplink; I'm thinking that it's a glitch preventing loading. We agree to enter our numbers in T.O. Reference. Page. ATC wants to know if we're ready; we discuss the situation and agree to depart. I'm fully confident that this situation while not fully compliant with standards was safe and appropriate.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 Captain reports being rushed by a late gate departure and the requirement to meet an oceanic entry point estimate; and departs without the final weight and balance.
Narrative: Flight departed without final weights being uplinked. Flight was delayed due to inbound delay. Our flight needed to receive an oceanic clearance on ground with ATC due to our oceanic entry point. A specific estimate is required for clearance. We were operating with oceanic entry point estimate and flight delay in the forefront of our departure effort. My experience with Sabre to date has been trouble plagued. A computer crash resulting in a very long delay; gate return and numerous other glitches have left me frustrated and with an overall impression that it needs work. That was a contributing factor in this incident. With all doors closed we proceeded with pushback. An FMC message appeared that we didn't have our final weights. This occurred at a task heavy point. I'm communicating with the push crew and monitoring push while this occurred. I'm thinking that this must be another problem with Sabre. How could a flight be 40 minutes late and there be no final numbers? The cargo doors had been shut for 20 minutes. Earlier my First Officer had worked on and received takeoff performance for our planned ZFW; wind; and flap setting. During taxi we received a perf data uplink; which we accepted. Our earlier takeoff data matched; we agreed to use those numbers. Still no uplink; I'm thinking that it's a glitch preventing loading. We agree to enter our numbers in T.O. REF. page. ATC wants to know if we're ready; we discuss the situation and agree to depart. I'm fully confident that this situation while not fully compliant with standards was safe and appropriate.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.