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Attributes | |
ACN | 1192249 |
Time | |
Date | 201408 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | LAX.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Taxi |
Route In Use | None |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | B737-900 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Takeoff |
Route In Use | None |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Instructor Ground |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 12 |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance Ground Incursion Runway |
Narrative:
I was training someone on ground control 1. Trainee told aircraft X to taxi to [runway] 25R via C10. I saw aircraft X entering [runway] 25R via north with an air carrier on departure roll. I overrode my trainee and said 'aircraft X stop;' three or four times until they stopped. The departing aircraft needed 30 plus minutes to cool their brakes. This is the third time an aircraft has tried to enter [runway] 25R on me in the last two or three months. The other two were aircraft taxing to [runway] 24L via C10; B; P; north route. They both turned at P onto [runway] 25R. If you look at the map a left turn at P makes no sense. There are wigwag lights alerting the pilot of the runway and two giant [runway] 25R/7L signs painted on the ground. I understand the need for construction at an airport; but lawa [los angeles world airports] doesn't care about the impact. Monthly runway checks are done during the day; and this closes a runway for 30 plus minutes. This absolutely crushes everyone in the tower; it is always a complete mess; planes everywhere; just stupid. Another closure lawa loves to do is close runway 24L; 10 minutes before all the A380 night departures go; this means they need to taxi to [runway] 25L (have you seen all the restrictions for this thing?)the 'quick' reference guide is far from quick. Lawa needs to escort them everywhere; etc. Last friday an A380 broke on taxiway 'east' blocking two other A380's from taxiing; blocking several other aircraft; just stupid. This was being worked by a supervisor; on the log; combined with clearance delivery. She could barely work ground control no less clearance delivery and answer the telephone and coordinate the [runway] 24L closure. The airport is still busy as hell [very early in the morning] and we have to combine positions because people are at the end of their 10 hour shift.lax is super understaffed; way over worked; we are nearing crisis here. Nobody can certify because the airport is so messed up with restrictions and push backs on taxiways; volume; sct's inability to stay off the inboards and lawa's continued lack of understanding of the impact of their crappy airport design (which; by the way; is only being perpetuated by their future construction design.) I could go on and on; is anybody listening out there?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Five reports of a runway incursion at LAX where a taxiing aircraft entered the runway environment on the way to a runway; causing a departure to have to be aborted.
Narrative: I was training someone on Ground Control 1. Trainee told Aircraft X to taxi to [Runway] 25R via C10. I saw Aircraft X entering [Runway] 25R via N with an air carrier on departure roll. I overrode my trainee and said 'Aircraft X stop;' three or four times until they stopped. The departing aircraft needed 30 plus minutes to cool their brakes. This is the third time an aircraft has tried to enter [Runway] 25R on me in the last two or three months. The other two were aircraft taxing to [Runway] 24L via C10; B; P; north route. They both turned at P onto [Runway] 25R. If you look at the map a left turn at P makes no sense. There are wigwag lights alerting the pilot of the runway and two giant [Runway] 25R/7L signs painted on the ground. I understand the need for construction at an airport; but LAWA [Los Angeles World Airports] doesn't care about the impact. Monthly runway checks are done during the day; and this closes a runway for 30 plus minutes. This absolutely crushes everyone in the Tower; it is always a complete mess; planes everywhere; just stupid. Another closure LAWA loves to do is close Runway 24L; 10 minutes before all the A380 night departures go; this means they need to taxi to [Runway] 25L (have you seen all the restrictions for this thing?)The 'quick' reference guide is far from quick. LAWA needs to escort them everywhere; etc. Last Friday an A380 broke on Taxiway 'E' blocking two other A380's from taxiing; blocking several other aircraft; just stupid. This was being worked by a Supervisor; on the log; combined with Clearance Delivery. She could barely work Ground Control no less Clearance Delivery and answer the telephone and coordinate the [Runway] 24L closure. The airport is still busy as hell [very early in the morning] and we have to combine positions because people are at the end of their 10 hour shift.LAX is super understaffed; way over worked; we are nearing crisis here. Nobody can certify because the airport is so messed up with restrictions and push backs on taxiways; volume; SCT's inability to stay off the inboards and LAWA's continued lack of understanding of the impact of their crappy airport design (which; by the way; is only being perpetuated by their future construction design.) I could go on and on; is anybody listening out there?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.