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Attributes | |
ACN | 120315 |
Time | |
Date | 198908 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cps |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 800 agl bound upper : 800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cps |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 1815 flight time type : 95 |
ASRS Report | 120315 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | unspecified : 99000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was told never to attempt a go around with full flaps on single engine due to the performance factors of the aircraft. Also, on my ATP multi/mei checkride with the FAA, I was told the same thing. On aug/fri/89 at XY45, we were cleared for touch and go 12R cps. After clearing us on downwind, the tower cleared another aircraft for takeoff on 12R. That aircraft took its time and on final we were on simulated single-engine failure with full flaps. The aircraft that was cleared for takeoff had lifted off the runway approximately 100 AGL we were 1/4 mi final when instructed to go around. I advised tower unable due to us being single-engine. I know now that when practicing single-engine and the tower tells you to go around, give the engine back to the student. The tower filled out a loss of separation report. I don't think the tower should clear someone for touch and go or landing and give someone else a clearance for takeoff on the same runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LIGHT TWIN ENGINE ACFT ON SIMULATED SINGLE ENGINE APCH REFUSES GO AROUND INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE TWR.
Narrative: I WAS TOLD NEVER TO ATTEMPT A GO AROUND WITH FULL FLAPS ON SINGLE ENGINE DUE TO THE PERFORMANCE FACTORS OF THE ACFT. ALSO, ON MY ATP MULTI/MEI CHECKRIDE WITH THE FAA, I WAS TOLD THE SAME THING. ON AUG/FRI/89 AT XY45, WE WERE CLRED FOR TOUCH AND GO 12R CPS. AFTER CLEARING US ON DOWNWIND, THE TWR CLRED ANOTHER ACFT FOR TKOF ON 12R. THAT ACFT TOOK ITS TIME AND ON FINAL WE WERE ON SIMULATED SINGLE-ENGINE FAILURE WITH FULL FLAPS. THE ACFT THAT WAS CLRED FOR TKOF HAD LIFTED OFF THE RWY APPROX 100 AGL WE WERE 1/4 MI FINAL WHEN INSTRUCTED TO GO AROUND. I ADVISED TWR UNABLE DUE TO US BEING SINGLE-ENGINE. I KNOW NOW THAT WHEN PRACTICING SINGLE-ENGINE AND THE TWR TELLS YOU TO GO AROUND, GIVE THE ENGINE BACK TO THE STUDENT. THE TWR FILLED OUT A LOSS OF SEPARATION REPORT. I DON'T THINK THE TWR SHOULD CLEAR SOMEONE FOR TOUCH AND GO OR LNDG AND GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CLRNC FOR TKOF ON THE SAME RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.