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Flight crew reports receiving final weights and V speeds for an aircraft weighing 275K while the manifest indicated a gross weight of 490K. Multiple contacts with load planning are required to straighten the problem out with the new V speeds being 30 knots higher than those initially provided.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1209510 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201410 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
| State Reference | US |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Other Push Back |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Pilot Not Flying First Officer |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 25 Flight Crew Total 12000 Flight Crew Type 500 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Weight And Balance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Taxi out our weight was 491500. We had to do a gate return to remove 2 deportees and an escort for security reasons. We came back to the gate and removed 3 pax. We waited for the final weight manifest showing 3 less pax. The new fwm came back saying we weighed 275;000 pounds. V speeds were approx 30 kts less. Captain called dispatch to fix the numbers and we got printed messages saying that the aircraft was properly balanced. This error if not caught by the crew could have resulted in a total hull loss and several deaths.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Flight crew reports receiving final weights and V Speeds for an aircraft weighing 275K while the manifest indicated a gross weight of 490K. Multiple contacts with load planning are required to straighten the problem out with the new V Speeds being 30 knots higher than those initially provided.
Narrative: Taxi out our weight was 491500. We had to do a gate return to remove 2 deportees and an escort for security reasons. We came back to the gate and removed 3 pax. We waited for the final weight manifest showing 3 less pax. The new FWM came back saying we weighed 275;000 pounds. V speeds were approx 30 kts less. Captain called dispatch to fix the numbers and we got printed messages saying that the aircraft was properly balanced. This error if not caught by the crew could have resulted in a total hull loss and several deaths.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.