Atx flight crew on cargo flight run afoul of canadian VFR altitude requirements. Reporter complain t...

Attributes
ACN	125643
Time
Date	198910
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : yyz airport : ypq
State Reference	ON
Altitude	msl bound lower : 12500 msl bound upper : 16500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : czyz
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 7700 flight time type : 250
ASRS Report	125643
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 425 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 425
ASRS Report	125009
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

We departed peterborough airport VFR, intending to pick up our previously filed IFR flight plan clearance en route. We climbed to 16,500 MSL, and passing 12,000 I called toronto center for my clearance. By the time we established radar identification we were level 16,500 MSL. We were instructed to turn left immediately to 180 degree heading and descend to 14,000 MSL. Then we were given a 270 degree heading and informed that 12,500 was the highest VFR altitude we could legally fly. It was also stated that there was 15,000 MSL traffic south of us, northbound, which we saw off in the distance. My company's director of operations says that he has been trying to obtain canadian regulations for some time now. He was unaware of that regulations. If canada is going to differ in their rules, their regulations must be more readily available. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: the reporter was contacted for counseling. No additional information was solicited. The reporter was informed that the regulations sections of the particular navigation charts in his possession contained adequate reference to VFR altitude requirements in canadian airspace. Additionally, the reporter was given the appropriate address for requesting the flight information manual (fim), the canadian equivalent of the aim.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ATX FLT CREW ON CARGO FLT RUN AFOUL OF CANADIAN VFR ALT REQUIREMENTS. REPORTER COMPLAIN THAT CANADIAN REGS ARE NOT READILY AVAILABLE.

Narrative: WE DEPARTED PETERBOROUGH ARPT VFR, INTENDING TO PICK UP OUR PREVIOUSLY FILED IFR FLT PLAN CLRNC ENRTE. WE CLIMBED TO 16,500 MSL, AND PASSING 12,000 I CALLED TORONTO CENTER FOR MY CLRNC. BY THE TIME WE ESTABLISHED RADAR IDENTIFICATION WE WERE LEVEL 16,500 MSL. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO TURN LEFT IMMEDIATELY TO 180 DEG HDG AND DSND TO 14,000 MSL. THEN WE WERE GIVEN A 270 DEG HDG AND INFORMED THAT 12,500 WAS THE HIGHEST VFR ALT WE COULD LEGALLY FLY. IT WAS ALSO STATED THAT THERE WAS 15,000 MSL TFC S OF US, NBND, WHICH WE SAW OFF IN THE DISTANCE. MY COMPANY'S DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS SAYS THAT HE HAS BEEN TRYING TO OBTAIN CANADIAN REGS FOR SOME TIME NOW. HE WAS UNAWARE OF THAT REGS. IF CANADA IS GOING TO DIFFER IN THEIR RULES, THEIR REGS MUST BE MORE READILY AVAILABLE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH REPORTER REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: THE REPORTER WAS CONTACTED FOR COUNSELING. NO ADDITIONAL INFO WAS SOLICITED. THE REPORTER WAS INFORMED THAT THE REGS SECTIONS OF THE PARTICULAR NAVIGATION CHARTS IN HIS POSSESSION CONTAINED ADEQUATE REFERENCE TO VFR ALT REQUIREMENTS IN CANADIAN AIRSPACE. ADDITIONALLY, THE REPORTER WAS GIVEN THE APPROPRIATE ADDRESS FOR REQUESTING THE FLT INFO MANUAL (FIM), THE CANADIAN EQUIVALENT OF THE AIM.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Atx flight crew on cargo flight run afoul of canadian VFR altitude requirements. Reporter complain that canadian regulations are not readily available.