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Attributes | |
ACN | 127328 |
Time | |
Date | 198910 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : san airport : nkx |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : san |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Experimental |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military Trainer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
ASRS Report | 182732 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | oversight : coordinator |
Qualification | controller : radar |
ASRS Report | 127329 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Spc X was on a hi-TACAN to miramar NAS. MTR Y was north of the field at 5000' requesting a visual. After traffic conflicts were resolved with MTR Y he was cleared for visual approach. Spc X was on a 4-5 mi final. MTR Y on approach now about 8 northeast of miramar at least 5 mi in trail of spc X. Traffic was not given as it was initially thought not to be needed. As it turned out spc X slowed to 100 KTS and MTR Y descended rapidly and airspeed increased to 150-160 KTS. When it became evident MTR Y would encroach on spc X, we advised the tower at miramar to issue traffic so the aircraft could follow him on a visual. We had sent MTR Y to the tower at least 2 minutes prior to this. The tower then advised they were not talking to MTR Y. We also attempted to contact MTR Y. Within seconds separation apparently was lost with MTR Y finally reaching the tower with spc X in sight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SPC ACFT SLOWED ON FINAL APCH RESULTING IN AN OVERTAKE BY THE SECOND ACFT.
Narrative: SPC X WAS ON A HI-TACAN TO MIRAMAR NAS. MTR Y WAS N OF THE FIELD AT 5000' REQUESTING A VISUAL. AFTER TFC CONFLICTS WERE RESOLVED WITH MTR Y HE WAS CLRED FOR VISUAL APCH. SPC X WAS ON A 4-5 MI FINAL. MTR Y ON APCH NOW ABOUT 8 NE OF MIRAMAR AT LEAST 5 MI IN TRAIL OF SPC X. TFC WAS NOT GIVEN AS IT WAS INITIALLY THOUGHT NOT TO BE NEEDED. AS IT TURNED OUT SPC X SLOWED TO 100 KTS AND MTR Y DESCENDED RAPIDLY AND AIRSPEED INCREASED TO 150-160 KTS. WHEN IT BECAME EVIDENT MTR Y WOULD ENCROACH ON SPC X, WE ADVISED THE TWR AT MIRAMAR TO ISSUE TFC SO THE ACFT COULD FOLLOW HIM ON A VISUAL. WE HAD SENT MTR Y TO THE TWR AT LEAST 2 MINUTES PRIOR TO THIS. THE TWR THEN ADVISED THEY WERE NOT TALKING TO MTR Y. WE ALSO ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT MTR Y. WITHIN SECONDS SEPARATION APPARENTLY WAS LOST WITH MTR Y FINALLY REACHING THE TWR WITH SPC X IN SIGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.