Medium large transport exceeds airspace limitations of hold at bucks intersection.

Attributes
ACN	128530
Time
Date	198911
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : lrp
State Reference	PA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zny
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	other
Route In Use	enroute airway : v210
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 500
ASRS Report	128530
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	non adherence other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Ambiguous
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation Operational Deviation

Narrative:

Upon being issued a hold at the bucks intersection, I advised ATC that I would be holding at 230 KTS instead of 210 KTS, due to trws in the area. After being in the hold for a turn or two, we were advised to turn 'immediately' to 270 degrees; however, we were already in our outbnd turn. The controller advised me we were out of the (limits of the) hold and other traffic was holding at ptw. Since the bucks intersection is only 11 mi from ptw, I would have held with flaps and at or below 200 KTS if I'd known.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MLG EXCEEDS AIRSPACE LIMITATIONS OF HOLD AT BUCKS INTXN.

Narrative: UPON BEING ISSUED A HOLD AT THE BUCKS INTXN, I ADVISED ATC THAT I WOULD BE HOLDING AT 230 KTS INSTEAD OF 210 KTS, DUE TO TRWS IN THE AREA. AFTER BEING IN THE HOLD FOR A TURN OR TWO, WE WERE ADVISED TO TURN 'IMMEDIATELY' TO 270 DEGS; HOWEVER, WE WERE ALREADY IN OUR OUTBND TURN. THE CTLR ADVISED ME WE WERE OUT OF THE (LIMITS OF THE) HOLD AND OTHER TFC WAS HOLDING AT PTW. SINCE THE BUCKS INTXN IS ONLY 11 MI FROM PTW, I WOULD HAVE HELD WITH FLAPS AND AT OR BELOW 200 KTS IF I'D KNOWN.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.