Aircraft X denied entry into slc TCA.

Attributes
ACN	129570
Time
Date	198911
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : slc
State Reference	UT
Altitude	agl bound lower : 2200 agl bound upper : 2200
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : slc
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff cruise other
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : private
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	129570
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : departure
Qualification	controller : radar
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Aircraft X departing beautiful sky park 5 mi northeast new slc TCA contacted departure 120.7 prior to takeoff. Requested under 500' AGL west departure as used for yrs this area. Minimum profile aircraft to slc is at 500' above this route. Controller declined and vectored 8 more mins than required by route south to pass over slc at 2200' AGL. Considerable argument on the air ensued between aircraft X and controller(south) as no heavy aircraft on final at the time and there was no reason to deny entry to the TCA. At no time did X violate TCA. On takeoff held in tight circle while arguing issue, held east of TCA. Approach control got very uptight and issued clearance to controled area only after flew 5 mi and then turned west. 1) it is a safety problem to vector aircraft over-populated residential areas as slc now does. 2) it is far safer to vector over shoreline with no dwellings. 3) we called ATC supervisor long distance 90 mins later and he got so angry he hung up on us after saying 'god damn' us, when we said he was adopting a chicken shit attitude to light aircraft. He said in his opinion we have no right to question orders of his controllers we believe to be unsafe.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACFT X DENIED ENTRY INTO SLC TCA.

Narrative: ACFT X DEPARTING BEAUTIFUL SKY PARK 5 MI NE NEW SLC TCA CONTACTED DEP 120.7 PRIOR TO TKOF. REQUESTED UNDER 500' AGL W DEP AS USED FOR YRS THIS AREA. MINIMUM PROFILE ACFT TO SLC IS AT 500' ABOVE THIS ROUTE. CTLR DECLINED AND VECTORED 8 MORE MINS THAN REQUIRED BY ROUTE S TO PASS OVER SLC AT 2200' AGL. CONSIDERABLE ARGUMENT ON THE AIR ENSUED BTWN ACFT X AND CTLR(S) AS NO HEAVY ACFT ON FINAL AT THE TIME AND THERE WAS NO REASON TO DENY ENTRY TO THE TCA. AT NO TIME DID X VIOLATE TCA. ON TKOF HELD IN TIGHT CIRCLE WHILE ARGUING ISSUE, HELD E OF TCA. APCH CTL GOT VERY UPTIGHT AND ISSUED CLRNC TO CTLED AREA ONLY AFTER FLEW 5 MI AND THEN TURNED W. 1) IT IS A SAFETY PROBLEM TO VECTOR ACFT OVER-POPULATED RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS SLC NOW DOES. 2) IT IS FAR SAFER TO VECTOR OVER SHORELINE WITH NO DWELLINGS. 3) WE CALLED ATC SUPVR LONG DISTANCE 90 MINS LATER AND HE GOT SO ANGRY HE HUNG UP ON US AFTER SAYING 'GOD DAMN' US, WHEN WE SAID HE WAS ADOPTING A CHICKEN SHIT ATTITUDE TO LIGHT ACFT. HE SAID IN HIS OPINION WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO QUESTION ORDERS OF HIS CTLRS WE BELIEVE TO BE UNSAFE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.