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Attributes | |
ACN | 129760 |
Time | |
Date | 198911 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lar |
State Reference | WY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2000 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 129760 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
I would just like to comment on the VOR/DME runway 30 at laramie, wy. In shooting approach with a crew of 2 pilots, one flying and one watching altitudes and looking for runway. As we approached the 3.8 (vdp) the non flying pilot called runway in sight, and we turned left to land on runway 30 (approach requires two turns, one left and one right to line up). The problem of the approach not being aligned better with the runway is the maneuvering required to land on runway 30. There is a 10 degree difference between approach path and runway alignment and trying to (without wild maneuvering) safely line up and land on a snowy and ice covered runway within .6 of a mile (from vdp to runway edge) is not an easy maneuver. My suggestion is for the FAA to review above approach and change approach to better line up with runway centerline. I talked to many pilots who also express the same feelings. There doesn't appear to be any reason not to do any changes for safety sake!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: VOR DME APCH PROC REQUIRES 10 DEGREE TURN TO ALIGN WITH RWY.
Narrative: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE VOR/DME RWY 30 AT LARAMIE, WY. IN SHOOTING APCH WITH A CREW OF 2 PLTS, ONE FLYING AND ONE WATCHING ALTS AND LOOKING FOR RWY. AS WE APCHED THE 3.8 (VDP) THE NON FLYING PLT CALLED RWY IN SIGHT, AND WE TURNED LEFT TO LAND ON RWY 30 (APCH REQUIRES TWO TURNS, ONE LEFT AND ONE RIGHT TO LINE UP). THE PROBLEM OF THE APCH NOT BEING ALIGNED BETTER WITH THE RWY IS THE MANEUVERING REQUIRED TO LAND ON RWY 30. THERE IS A 10 DEG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN APCH PATH AND RWY ALIGNMENT AND TRYING TO (WITHOUT WILD MANEUVERING) SAFELY LINE UP AND LAND ON A SNOWY AND ICE COVERED RWY WITHIN .6 OF A MILE (FROM VDP TO RWY EDGE) IS NOT AN EASY MANEUVER. MY SUGGESTION IS FOR THE FAA TO REVIEW ABOVE APCH AND CHANGE APCH TO BETTER LINE UP WITH RWY CENTERLINE. I TALKED TO MANY PLTS WHO ALSO EXPRESS THE SAME FEELINGS. THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ANY REASON NOT TO DO ANY CHANGES FOR SAFETY SAKE!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.