GA small aircraft unauthorized penetration of airspace.

Attributes
ACN	133868
Time
Date	199001
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : geu
State Reference	AZ
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : gyr
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	130386
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

The phx TCA has just been implemented. Departure was from runway 19 at glendale, az. Immediately after departure, luke AFB approach was contacted to obtain a wbound departure. Our flight was instructed to 'remain clear of luke air traffic area.' we immediately contacted gyr tower to transit air traffic area south. Our flight was instructed to 'remain clear of the gyr air traffic area.' both of these instructions are impossible because luke air traffic area, gyr air traffic area and glendale air traffic area and all the same airspace. With the advent of the phx TCA departures east from glendale are impractical, as are departures over the top of the air traffic area's. While proceeding south over to gyr, we advised gyr of the impossibility of their request and advised gyr that we were overflying their airport swbound. The departure from glendale other than northbound below the TCA begs for pretkof coordination of departure routings.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: GA SMA UNAUTH PENETRATION OF AIRSPACE.

Narrative: THE PHX TCA HAS JUST BEEN IMPLEMENTED. DEP WAS FROM RWY 19 AT GLENDALE, AZ. IMMEDIATELY AFTER DEP, LUKE AFB APCH WAS CONTACTED TO OBTAIN A WBOUND DEP. OUR FLT WAS INSTRUCTED TO 'REMAIN CLR OF LUKE ATA.' WE IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED GYR TWR TO TRANSIT ATA S. OUR FLT WAS INSTRUCTED TO 'REMAIN CLR OF THE GYR ATA.' BOTH OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS ARE IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE LUKE ATA, GYR ATA AND GLENDALE ATA AND ALL THE SAME AIRSPACE. WITH THE ADVENT OF THE PHX TCA DEPS E FROM GLENDALE ARE IMPRACTICAL, AS ARE DEPS OVER THE TOP OF THE ATA'S. WHILE PROCEEDING S OVER TO GYR, WE ADVISED GYR OF THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF THEIR REQUEST AND ADVISED GYR THAT WE WERE OVERFLYING THEIR ARPT SWBOUND. THE DEP FROM GLENDALE OTHER THAN NBOUND BELOW THE TCA BEGS FOR PRETKOF COORD OF DEP ROUTINGS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.