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Attributes | |
ACN | 133899 |
Time | |
Date | 199001 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 0 msl bound upper : 18000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Route In Use | arrival : profile descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | other pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 133899 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time type : 300 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Third trip into lax with same new captain; third NASA report. Again the captain has demonstrated lack of knowledge, familiarity, confidence in aircraft and good judgement. Although I (first officer, not a check or instrument captain other than my CFI a & I) have been coaching this captain through this approach, the captain still misses all crossing altitudes and falls way behind the aircraft, ending in high, fast approachs--this despite my calling out suggestions in a timely fashion in a helpful manner. Although briefed beforehand on suggested ways to fly the approach, the captain does not take timely corrective action after a deviation caused by him. He does acknowledge awareness that a deviation is eminent or worsening, but does nothing unless commanded in a manner of urgency. Although no progress had been witnessed and the captain freely admits to 'screwing up this approach every time,' I have been reluctant to go to our chief pilot as such action has been 'out of favor' since our company was shut down by a strike as management has indicated they suspect personality differences between returning strikers and non-strikers, or new-hires flying positions out of seniority. As a returning striker myself, captain a non-striker, one can see the dilemma--we do get along really well however. Putting safety above all else, I had no choice after 3 unsafe approachs--this last one, high, fast, landing in a crab and almost going off the runway despite all my help; altitude deviations (high) on profile. I took the matter to my chief pilot. Although concerned about safety, concerns of compatibility were evident in a check captain's remarks as I explained my concerns. I am confident our chief pilot will do the right thing, as I have always had a professional reputation with many check capts I have flown with. Ps: 3 yrs ago I took control from a captain to avert a crash. He was found incompetent, but I spent months defending myself against accusations of mutiny by him and non-pilot management. I was reprimanded and threatened with dismissal, although I asked voice and flight recorders be pulled for my defense. This time they can fire me. If we can't be safe, I don't want the job!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT ALT DEVIATION UNDERSHOT ALL CROSSING RESTRICTIONS ON PROFILE APCH TO LAX.
Narrative: THIRD TRIP INTO LAX WITH SAME NEW CAPT; THIRD NASA RPT. AGAIN THE CAPT HAS DEMONSTRATED LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, FAMILIARITY, CONFIDENCE IN ACFT AND GOOD JUDGEMENT. ALTHOUGH I (F/O, NOT A CHK OR INSTR CAPT OTHER THAN MY CFI A & I) HAVE BEEN COACHING THIS CAPT THROUGH THIS APCH, THE CAPT STILL MISSES ALL XING ALTS AND FALLS WAY BEHIND THE ACFT, ENDING IN HIGH, FAST APCHS--THIS DESPITE MY CALLING OUT SUGGESTIONS IN A TIMELY FASHION IN A HELPFUL MANNER. ALTHOUGH BRIEFED BEFOREHAND ON SUGGESTED WAYS TO FLY THE APCH, THE CAPT DOES NOT TAKE TIMELY CORRECTIVE ACTION AFTER A DEVIATION CAUSED BY HIM. HE DOES ACKNOWLEDGE AWARENESS THAT A DEVIATION IS EMINENT OR WORSENING, BUT DOES NOTHING UNLESS COMMANDED IN A MANNER OF URGENCY. ALTHOUGH NO PROGRESS HAD BEEN WITNESSED AND THE CAPT FREELY ADMITS TO 'SCREWING UP THIS APCH EVERY TIME,' I HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT TO GO TO OUR CHIEF PLT AS SUCH ACTION HAS BEEN 'OUT OF FAVOR' SINCE OUR COMPANY WAS SHUT DOWN BY A STRIKE AS MGMNT HAS INDICATED THEY SUSPECT PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES BTWN RETURNING STRIKERS AND NON-STRIKERS, OR NEW-HIRES FLYING POSITIONS OUT OF SENIORITY. AS A RETURNING STRIKER MYSELF, CAPT A NON-STRIKER, ONE CAN SEE THE DILEMMA--WE DO GET ALONG REALLY WELL HOWEVER. PUTTING SAFETY ABOVE ALL ELSE, I HAD NO CHOICE AFTER 3 UNSAFE APCHS--THIS LAST ONE, HIGH, FAST, LNDG IN A CRAB AND ALMOST GOING OFF THE RWY DESPITE ALL MY HELP; ALT DEVIATIONS (HIGH) ON PROFILE. I TOOK THE MATTER TO MY CHIEF PLT. ALTHOUGH CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY, CONCERNS OF COMPATIBILITY WERE EVIDENT IN A CHK CAPT'S REMARKS AS I EXPLAINED MY CONCERNS. I AM CONFIDENT OUR CHIEF PLT WILL DO THE RIGHT THING, AS I HAVE ALWAYS HAD A PROFESSIONAL REPUTATION WITH MANY CHK CAPTS I HAVE FLOWN WITH. PS: 3 YRS AGO I TOOK CTL FROM A CAPT TO AVERT A CRASH. HE WAS FOUND INCOMPETENT, BUT I SPENT MONTHS DEFENDING MYSELF AGAINST ACCUSATIONS OF MUTINY BY HIM AND NON-PLT MGMNT. I WAS REPRIMANDED AND THREATENED WITH DISMISSAL, ALTHOUGH I ASKED VOICE AND FLT RECORDERS BE PULLED FOR MY DEFENSE. THIS TIME THEY CAN FIRE ME. IF WE CAN'T BE SAFE, I DON'T WANT THE JOB!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.