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Air carrier on approach observed previously pointed out traffic and climbed in order to pass above the aircraft by 1000'.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 134878 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199001 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3800 msl bound upper : 4800 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : new |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Heavy Transport, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | controller military : 6 controller radar : 14 controller supervisory : 1 flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 800 |
| ASRS Report | 134878 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 1700 |
| ASRS Report | 134877 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | vertical : 1000 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On a trip from stc to lax (copilot's leg) we encountered a situation that was not comfortable to us. While on the runway 24/25 profile descent to lax, after passing the smo VOR we were given a heading of 70 degree at 5000'. On the downwind leg we were given pilot's discretion to 4000' with a 130 degree heading. Approach gave us traffic at 1 O'clock that was landing runway 24. We had a visual on the aircraft. We asked approach what his intentions were for us. He replied 'over the top of the approaching aircraft to runway 24 to a visual runway 25L.' on the 130 degree heading, as we descended through 4300', the aircraft landing runway 24 appeared (maybe because of the angle) closer at our altitude so I started to climb to approximately 4800' as the captain asked approach his altitude which was reported at 3800'. By the time we did pass over the traffic we had at least a 1000' separation. We were then cleared the visual 25L and landed normally. The reason for filing this report is for information on a visual approach that was not very comfortable flying with the separation between aircraft landing runways 24 and 25 at lax.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ON APCH OBSERVED PREVIOUSLY POINTED OUT TRAFFIC AND CLIMBED IN ORDER TO PASS ABOVE THE ACFT BY 1000'.
Narrative: ON A TRIP FROM STC TO LAX (COPLT'S LEG) WE ENCOUNTERED A SITUATION THAT WAS NOT COMFORTABLE TO US. WHILE ON THE RWY 24/25 PROFILE DSCNT TO LAX, AFTER PASSING THE SMO VOR WE WERE GIVEN A HDG OF 70 DEG AT 5000'. ON THE DOWNWIND LEG WE WERE GIVEN PLT'S DISCRETION TO 4000' WITH A 130 DEG HDG. APCH GAVE US TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK THAT WAS LNDG RWY 24. WE HAD A VISUAL ON THE ACFT. WE ASKED APCH WHAT HIS INTENTIONS WERE FOR US. HE REPLIED 'OVER THE TOP OF THE APCHING ACFT TO RWY 24 TO A VISUAL RWY 25L.' ON THE 130 DEG HDG, AS WE DESCENDED THROUGH 4300', THE ACFT LNDG RWY 24 APPEARED (MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE ANGLE) CLOSER AT OUR ALT SO I STARTED TO CLIMB TO APPROX 4800' AS THE CAPT ASKED APCH HIS ALT WHICH WAS REPORTED AT 3800'. BY THE TIME WE DID PASS OVER THE TFC WE HAD AT LEAST A 1000' SEPARATION. WE WERE THEN CLRED THE VISUAL 25L AND LANDED NORMALLY. THE REASON FOR FILING THIS REPORT IS FOR INFORMATION ON A VISUAL APCH THAT WAS NOT VERY COMFORTABLE FLYING WITH THE SEPARATION BETWEEN ACFT LNDG RWYS 24 AND 25 AT LAX.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.