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Attributes | |
ACN | 1355191 |
Time | |
Date | 201605 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SCT.TRACON |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Small Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | Other Instrument Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft High Wing 1 Eng Fixed Gear |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Route In Use | None |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 4.5 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Overcast day with low ceilings. Working multiple approaches to multiple aircraft to multiple airports. Aircraft X was cleared for an approach descending to 2800 feet until established. I noticed non mode C traffic about 5 to 6 miles ahead and called traffic with altitude unknown. Aircraft X responded 'IMC'. I called traffic again a couple miles later and informed aircraft X targets appear likely to merge. Aircraft X informed me they were just coming out of the clouds and searching. Normally they would already be shipped to the tower but I kept him on my frequency in case I had to abort the approach. The tower called when the targets were a few miles apart and told me the last know altitude of the target was 1700 feet. I informed aircraft X of the last know altitude and he informed me he had the traffic in sight. I then switched him to the tower. I was informed a few minutes later the target was aircraft Y and he had a waiver to fly without mode C. Aircraft X called my supervisor to ask how did we know the non mode C aircraft's altitude; what he was doing there; and how come he didn't get an RA if we could see his altitude?I don't think anyone should be flying around the mode C veil without a transponder; especially under a class B airspace. I'm not sure who would issue a pilot a waiver for that. It is very dangerous and a completely unnecessary risk in such a technical airspace. I would also make the class bravo more restrictive to reduce the amount of IFR to VFR issues.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SCT TRACON Controller reported an unidentified aircraft not in communication with ATC and no Mode C crossed the final approach course of an inbound aircraft on approach.
Narrative: Overcast day with low ceilings. Working multiple approaches to multiple aircraft to multiple airports. Aircraft X was cleared for an approach descending to 2800 feet until established. I noticed Non Mode C traffic about 5 to 6 miles ahead and called traffic with altitude unknown. Aircraft X responded 'IMC'. I called traffic again a couple miles later and informed Aircraft X targets appear likely to merge. Aircraft X informed me they were just coming out of the clouds and searching. Normally they would already be shipped to the tower but I kept him on my frequency in case I had to abort the approach. The tower called when the targets were a few miles apart and told me the last know altitude of the target was 1700 feet. I informed Aircraft X of the last know altitude and he informed me he had the traffic in sight. I then switched him to the tower. I was informed a few minutes later the target was Aircraft Y and he had a waiver to fly without Mode C. Aircraft X called my supervisor to ask how did we know the Non Mode C aircraft's altitude; what he was doing there; and how come he didn't get an RA if we could see his altitude?I don't think anyone should be flying around the Mode C veil without a transponder; especially under a Class B airspace. I'm not sure who would issue a pilot a waiver for that. It is very dangerous and a completely unnecessary risk in such a technical airspace. I would also make the Class Bravo more restrictive to reduce the amount of IFR to VFR issues.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.