Flight crew of heavy widebody transport unable to make SID crossing restriction on climb.

Attributes
ACN	137637
Time
Date	199002
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : dtw
State Reference	MI
Altitude	msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 5000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : dtw tower : dpa
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure other departure sid : sid
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 14173 flight time type : 1224
ASRS Report	137637
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 600
ASRS Report	137728
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : undershoot
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
Publication	Unspecified

Narrative:

Metropolitan 7 departure out of dtw calls for crossing of 10 DME at or above 5000' off of dxo VOR. We were very heavy (7 hours + dtw to fra). I felt we could make restriction even though it would be close. With WX, turbulence and a little windshear on climb, we were about 500' below prescribed altitude (4500' instead of 5000'). Departure control supervisor chewed on us about it. The new metropolitan 7 departure is lousy. It's a trap for pilots! We don't carry engineering charts to fine tune climbs. Under ideal conditions it's close for international departures. This reporter, now, will always tell them (departure control) we cannot meet restriction. The dtw departure procedures need to be redone. This change is a change for the worse from previous procedures. A cle center controller I talked to, agreed.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLT CREW OF HEAVY WDB UNABLE TO MAKE SID CROSSING RESTRICTION ON CLIMB.

Narrative: METRO 7 DEP OUT OF DTW CALLS FOR XING OF 10 DME AT OR ABOVE 5000' OFF OF DXO VOR. WE WERE VERY HEAVY (7 HRS + DTW TO FRA). I FELT WE COULD MAKE RESTRICTION EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD BE CLOSE. WITH WX, TURBULENCE AND A LITTLE WINDSHEAR ON CLIMB, WE WERE ABOUT 500' BELOW PRESCRIBED ALT (4500' INSTEAD OF 5000'). DEP CTL SUPVR CHEWED ON US ABOUT IT. THE NEW METRO 7 DEP IS LOUSY. IT'S A TRAP FOR PLTS! WE DON'T CARRY ENGINEERING CHARTS TO FINE TUNE CLIMBS. UNDER IDEAL CONDITIONS IT'S CLOSE FOR INTERNATIONAL DEPS. THIS REPORTER, NOW, WILL ALWAYS TELL THEM (DEP CTL) WE CANNOT MEET RESTRICTION. THE DTW DEP PROCS NEED TO BE REDONE. THIS CHANGE IS A CHANGE FOR THE WORSE FROM PREVIOUS PROCS. A CLE CENTER CTLR I TALKED TO, AGREED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.