Logbook review for private pilot license.

Attributes
ACN	137738
Time
Date	199002
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : 06n
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 198 flight time total : 18676
ASRS Report	137738
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : student
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

A student pilot was recommended for the private pilot certificate but did not meet the requirements of far 61.109(B)(2). His long x-country was only 276 mi. The student started flying with me after this part of the requirements were supposedly completed. This x-country was recommended to him by his first CFI, who is also a designated examiner, and I assumed it met the requirement. To prevent this from occurring again I would recommend a very careful examination of the student's logbook endorsements by previous instructors. Don't trust these entries. Check them out. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: reporter stated that he had reviewed logbook of spi for a private pilot license and accepted the previous instructor's sign off of the cross country. Later, the spi went to another CFI, a designated examiner who questioned the length of the x-country flight and upon finding it deficient, refused to certify the spi's logbook for limited flts from one airport to another. The FAA got into this and contacted the first CFI and sent him a form 206, requesting more information regarding this event. Reporter has heard nothing further from the FAA after an apparently satisfactory explanation.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LOGBOOK REVIEW FOR PRIVATE PLT LICENSE.

Narrative: A STUDENT PLT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR THE PRIVATE PLT CERTIFICATE BUT DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF FAR 61.109(B)(2). HIS LONG X-COUNTRY WAS ONLY 276 MI. THE STUDENT STARTED FLYING WITH ME AFTER THIS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS WERE SUPPOSEDLY COMPLETED. THIS X-COUNTRY WAS RECOMMENDED TO HIM BY HIS FIRST CFI, WHO IS ALSO A DESIGNATED EXAMINER, AND I ASSUMED IT MET THE REQUIREMENT. TO PREVENT THIS FROM OCCURRING AGAIN I WOULD RECOMMEND A VERY CAREFUL EXAMINATION OF THE STUDENT'S LOGBOOK ENDORSEMENTS BY PREVIOUS INSTRUCTORS. DON'T TRUST THESE ENTRIES. CHECK THEM OUT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH REPORTER REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: REPORTER STATED THAT HE HAD REVIEWED LOGBOOK OF SPI FOR A PRIVATE PLT LICENSE AND ACCEPTED THE PREVIOUS INSTRUCTOR'S SIGN OFF OF THE CROSS COUNTRY. LATER, THE SPI WENT TO ANOTHER CFI, A DESIGNATED EXAMINER WHO QUESTIONED THE LENGTH OF THE X-COUNTRY FLT AND UPON FINDING IT DEFICIENT, REFUSED TO CERTIFY THE SPI'S LOGBOOK FOR LIMITED FLTS FROM ONE ARPT TO ANOTHER. THE FAA GOT INTO THIS AND CONTACTED THE FIRST CFI AND SENT HIM A FORM 206, REQUESTING MORE INFO REGARDING THIS EVENT. REPORTER HAS HEARD NOTHING FURTHER FROM THE FAA AFTER AN APPARENTLY SATISFACTORY EXPLANATION.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.