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Attributes | |
ACN | 137844 |
Time | |
Date | 199002 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mex |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mex tower : myr |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Heavy Transport |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 35 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 137844 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were proceeding direct to otumba, nb which is a standard arrival for mex. At approximately 30 mi out the approach controller stated that otumba was our clearance limit. As we approached otumba the captain attempted to contact approach control but was unable due to radio congestion. Overhead otumba ATC called us and said 'descend to 11000'.' the captain responded '14000' for 11000' and we are on the otumba arrival'. ATC response was 'roger'. As a result we both thought we were cleared for the otumba arrival. ATC intercepted us during the arrival with radar vectors which resequenced us for the approach. At this time ATC stated that he thought we were going to hold at otumba. There didn't appear to be a conflict of any kind. When cultural and language problems blend with rapid fire type clrncs the chance of error is greatly heightened if accepted terminology is not understood.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR HVT TRACK HEADING DEVIATION.
Narrative: WE WERE PROCEEDING DIRECT TO OTUMBA, NB WHICH IS A STANDARD ARR FOR MEX. AT APPROX 30 MI OUT THE APCH CTLR STATED THAT OTUMBA WAS OUR CLRNC LIMIT. AS WE APCHED OTUMBA THE CAPT ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT APCH CTL BUT WAS UNABLE DUE TO RADIO CONGESTION. OVERHEAD OTUMBA ATC CALLED US AND SAID 'DSND TO 11000'.' THE CAPT RESPONDED '14000' FOR 11000' AND WE ARE ON THE OTUMBA ARR'. ATC RESPONSE WAS 'ROGER'. AS A RESULT WE BOTH THOUGHT WE WERE CLRED FOR THE OTUMBA ARR. ATC INTERCEPTED US DURING THE ARR WITH RADAR VECTORS WHICH RESEQUENCED US FOR THE APCH. AT THIS TIME ATC STATED THAT HE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HOLD AT OTUMBA. THERE DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE A CONFLICT OF ANY KIND. WHEN CULTURAL AND LANGUAGE PROBLEMS BLEND WITH RAPID FIRE TYPE CLRNCS THE CHANCE OF ERROR IS GREATLY HEIGHTENED IF ACCEPTED TERMINOLOGY IS NOT UNDERSTOOD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.