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Attributes | |
ACN | 1384018 |
Time | |
Date | 201608 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | EWR.Airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach Landing |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 215 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Pilot Flying First Officer |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Type 435 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Ground Conflict Less Severe |
Narrative:
On initial contact; tower stated you are number 3; traffic to follow is on final for 22L and 11; runway 11 cleared to land. I was pm and I watched traffic 5 miles in front of us land on rwy 11. I was looking for traffic on final for 22L and did not see any. I concluded the traffic for 22L must have landed before the traffic for 11 in front of us. When we were on very short final; I saw an rj looking like he was turning left base for 22L. I later learned that this traffic was making a very large south turn on final to generate some spacing. The spacing did not look like it would work. We were definitely lower than the traffic on 22L. I queried tower; 'hey tower; is this guy going to land on 22L?' pregnant pause. We touched down. I expected tower to send the other traffic around. Right after our nose gear touched down; tower said; 'hold short of runway 22L.' I did not respond immediately; as I was checking for our stopping devices; spoilers and reversers. Tower came back again; verify hold short of runway 22L.' the first officer got on the brakes very firmly and I assessed that we would be able to stop in time. I then replied; we will hold short runway 22L.'runway 11 is not a lahso runway in ewr. I did not feel comfortable with the spacing. I did not feel that tower would have enough time to send the other traffic around. I felt the only option was to hold short. I called and spoke with the supervisor in the tower. He stated that this was a legal clearance and it was not a lahso clearance. He stated that it is the tower controller's judgment as to when to contact a pilot on the rollout after landing. The nose gear must be down; and the pilot should be at a reasonable speed. We were not at a reasonable speed. He stated that if we replied; 'unable' then the controller would have sent the traffic for 22L around. In my opinion; the spacing was too close. We were not down to a taxi speed that would have allowed for an easy assessment of our ability to hold short of 22L. And because I believed that tower did not have the time to send the other airplane around; I felt our only option was to jam on the brakes and make it work. Bottom line; the spacing for this approach was too tight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 flight crew and the Controller involved described a landing on Runway 11 at EWR during which the crew was instructed to hold short of Runway 22L for landing traffic. The instruction came during the rollout and the crew believed it left them few options but to brake hard and ultimately stopped before Runway 22R.
Narrative: On initial contact; tower stated you are number 3; traffic to follow is on final for 22L and 11; Runway 11 cleared to land. I was PM and I watched traffic 5 miles in front of us land on Rwy 11. I was looking for traffic on final for 22L and did not see any. I concluded the traffic for 22L must have landed before the traffic for 11 in front of us. When we were on very short final; I saw an RJ looking like he was turning left base for 22L. I later learned that this traffic was making a very large S turn on final to generate some spacing. The spacing did not look like it would work. We were definitely lower than the traffic on 22L. I queried tower; 'Hey tower; is this guy going to land on 22L?' Pregnant pause. We touched down. I expected tower to send the other traffic around. Right after our nose gear touched down; tower said; 'hold short of runway 22L.' I did not respond immediately; as I was checking for our stopping devices; spoilers and reversers. Tower came back again; verify hold short of runway 22L.' The FO got on the brakes very firmly and I assessed that we would be able to stop in time. I then replied; we will hold short runway 22L.'Runway 11 is not a LAHSO runway in EWR. I did not feel comfortable with the spacing. I did not feel that tower would have enough time to send the other traffic around. I felt the only option was to hold short. I called and spoke with the supervisor in the tower. He stated that this was a legal clearance and it was not a LAHSO clearance. He stated that it is the tower controller's judgment as to when to contact a pilot on the rollout after landing. The nose gear must be down; and the pilot should be at a reasonable speed. We were not at a reasonable speed. He stated that if we replied; 'Unable' then the controller would have sent the traffic for 22L around. In my opinion; the spacing was too close. We were not down to a taxi speed that would have allowed for an easy assessment of our ability to hold short of 22L. And because I believed that tower did not have the time to send the other airplane around; I felt our only option was to jam on the brakes and make it work. Bottom line; the spacing for this approach was too tight.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.